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>> Andrea Saks:  Eleonora, well you speak?  Eleonora, will you speak?  Eleonora, well you speak?  Can you type, saying you can hear me?  
>> Perhaps her microphone is muted on her side. 
>> Andrea Saks:  No, she spoke earlier.  Judy, can you speak?  
>> She's not connected.  
>> Andrea Saks:  Eleonora is not connected to what ‑‑ 
>> Judy is not connected. 
>> She's connected.  
>> Andrea Saks:  Judy can not hear.  She's typed that.  You are off now and it's on, and I'm not touching.  Judy is saying you are off now.  Judy is typing.  Now she's saying, "I'm on."  De can hear me.  Eleonora, can you hear?  Captioner has got it.  Eleonora, I'll type to her.
>> Hello?  
>> Eleonora Mazzucchi:  Yes, I confirm that I can hear you, yes.  
>> Andrea Saks:  And we can hear you.  So is everybody's computer not muted?  I know that De is only going to type.  But Judy, we need you to speak.  We did hear her a minute ago.  Okay.  We got two techno boys and one techno girl working on it.  Judy says my microphone. 
>> Judy:  Hello.  
>> Andrea Saks:  There you are.  Can you hear us?
>> Judy:  Oh, hi.  
>> Andrea Saks:  She's a bit loud.  So we definitely have you.  So we have Judy, Eleonora, and we may get ‑‑ we may not get Ganella.  I have spoken to Gerry, who is in the airport.  We'll just start with who we have and I've also spoken to Fran she is can a.  I have Alia as the remote moderator.  We have Caru, because she is the secretariat.  Tray has been away and she has prepared all the documents.  What we're going to look at it ‑‑ gun he will a definite G you in he will a enter. 
Welcome to the meeting, which is polite, which I'm doing.  I've done the role call.  We have apologies from Axel and if a Francesca, and from Gerry.  Maybe he'll pop in.  Gunela said she might try to come because she's in Europe.  
You know to announce your name before you speak so the captioner knows who you are.  And an explanation.  Everything is fine.  We're not ‑‑ why is Judy muted?  Don't mute yourself, Judy, in case we have a problem.  
Thank you.  Speak, Judy, just in case.
>> Judy:  Okay.  
>> Andrea Saks:  It would be a good idea if you use the "raise your hand," up at the top.  You see your "raise your hand" button.  That would be great.  If you do jump in, that's good.  
All right.  We're going to review the minutes of the 19th of May.  If we could put that up.  In just a second.  Here it comes.  We're getting better at this, I think.  Okay.  Now, where we are and where we were.  We have got everybody agreeing to certain formats, but we have to get this into IGF by the Monday evening at the latest. 
>> Eleonora Mazzucchi:  Yes, Monday at midnight.  
>> Andrea Saks:  Monday at midnight.  That's fine.  Right.  So the thing is did he last.  We have Gerry Ellis, Gunela, and we have me and I will write a small paragraph.  That's all we have to do, really, except for this other issue.  There was something that Eleonora and I spoke about.  I have spoken to Francesca, who has agreed to speak.  She will be speaking about G3ict, because that would be a good thing explaining how they make it possible for persons with disabilities to get information, to get hooked onto the Internet, enable conclusive sustainable growth.  They are a part of doing this process with their group.  So she's going to write something.  She'll give me a paragraph shortly.  Of course, they are meeting on the 14th and 15th with advance meeting on the 9th and 11th.  So it will be a little bit ‑‑ she's under the gun.  Look at this.  Oh, my God.  So you can see the email that she will follow up on that.  Okay.  
We have Gerry's email, according to the European Commission, he's not blind, so I don't have to read it.  So he's going to write about that and those two things on public procurement.  So that's what he's going to talk about.  And that's important, too, for access and for growth, so persons with disabilities can participate.  And we're going to ‑‑ I'll have to try and write the overview of what this is all about.  
Now, is that going to be the paper?  Is that what we're going to call "the paper"?  If I write an overview, because it's a panel discussion, if I wrote what all these different parts mean and why it applies to our title of, which is where?  I forgot our title.  Where is it?  Oh, thank you.  "The Internet and developing sustainable accessibility goals for persons with disabilities."  That is our title.  There is a way we could not have a paper.  Eleonora said that if we did the other, in quotes, then we would be able to avoid a paper.  
My question to he will nor is I did two paragraphs explaining how these sessions all tie together, and we'll come to yours in a minute, Judy.  Then we'll be able to tie that together with the paper.  Am I on the right path?  Eleonora?  
>> Eleonora Mazzucchi:  I think ‑‑ well, the first step is do you want the panel session or not?  I mean, if you choose "other," then you're correct.  You avoid the background paper.  So I think you just have to make a decision first how much you want the panel session. 
>> Andrea Saks:  Can we raise up this website a little bit to read number two?  We have somebody added on here.  Gunela is on. 
>> Gunela:  Yes, I can.  
>> Andrea Saks:  Very happy to have you on board.  We did show your email showing what you did.  We'll come back to the parts of the workshop in a minute.  We just showed the paperwork that we've got even from people.  This look at what we would have to do if we were going to do an abstract of a background paper:  Statement of purpose.  Why is this Internet government issue considered at this time.  Description of the relevance of Internet Governance and the themes and sub‑themes of the IGF meeting, and the description of the expected results of the discussion.  
Eleonora, question:  If I use those titles to write why our different diverse subjects within the joint ‑‑ I just lost a screen ‑‑ that's okay.  I don't need it.  I was looking at it and it just disappeared.  Ignore me on that comment, please, everyone.  
If I wrote just a small amount of something there and submitted that as an overview of the workshop, would that be sufficient if we put ‑‑ checked "other," and we could sit in a panel format if we wanted to, and we just call it "other"?  Basically what happens when we all get together, and I'm sure you'll all agree, is we talk amongst each other.  People present stuff and they we start having a discussion.  That's what's happened in the past.  Am I not correct, girls?  Anybody can jump in.  
>> Gunela Astbrink:  Andrea, hi.  I wanted to mention that we talked about the format and we agreed with the use of "other" because according to the guidelines in the IGF, they are not as happy to get all panel workshop submissions and they prefer other formats.  Maybe Eleonora can assist us with that.  And so I just mentioned that before we go into the details of what we would need to write or not.  And my other comments was that there seems to be a push to have shorter presentations and more discussion.  And I know that's often challenging for us, but if we could look at that, too, that would be really useful. 
>> Andrea Saks:  We're on the same page, Gunela.  Number one, guess who would have to write the paper in time.  Me.  And I don't really want to, because I've got too much work on doing that.  And I feel that it's redundant.  Why should I explain us when we are, in fact, going to explain ourselves when we are there?  That's what I was going for.  We all end up in the discussion anyway.  
So I think what you've just said capsulizes what we're doing.  
Gerry is going to come on.  I don't see him.
>> I called him. 
>> Andrea Saks:  Oh, you did.  So he will be on in a minute.  Okay.  Gerry is going to be on in a minute.  
De, I think IGF wants lots of participation from the participants.  Judy, do you want to make a comment?  This is in relationship to what Gunela has said.  
>> Judy Okite:  I'm all right with it. 
>> Andrea Saks:  You're all right with it, you think.  That's okay.  If I understand he have been correctly, we're going to take "other."  And IGF has indicated through Gunela that we should have shorter presentations.  We have ‑‑ I'm going to ask for 90 minutes.  We have to decide how many minutes.  We have five presentations.  I'll just go over them.  
Judy, have you sent me ‑‑ have I missed your breakdown in your abstract?  I wanted to come back to you.  We have?  Do we have at the?  Judy, can you quickly resend it to us?  Can you see ‑‑ because Caru's address and put it up on hers.  I can get it up on mine, and then we will put it on the screen.  I'm sorry I don't have it in front of me.  We have had lots of meetings here at the ITU all at the same time.  I'm getting pretty good at running through the halls.  
Here is a message, can I just change the subject?  Axel is trying to connect on Adobe Connect.  Flash player.  Have you got him?  Unmute everybody.  So we've got Axel, welcome.  Will you speak so we can test you out?  
>> Axel:  Yes, good morning.  To rerecord your message, press three.  To leave the recording where you left off, press four.  
>> Andrea Saks:  Gerry's not answering.  Ignore that, we were trying to get Gerry.  
Axel, welcome.  I don't know how long you've been on.  Not for long, I think.  Just to recap.  Okay.  What we've kind of come to the conclusion through Gunela's information and the fact that I don't want to write a background paper, neither does anybody else, I think, that we're going to tick the box of "other," so we don't have to write a background paper.  We have five spots of which one of them is yours and we got ‑‑ we'll put up ‑‑ can you see everything, Axel? ?  Axel?
>> Axel:  Yes. 
>> Andrea Saks:  Can you put up what Francesca wrote?  Francesca answered.  We'll start at the beginning.  Okay.  And Francesca wrote that, and so Francesca is going to prepare an abstract, a biography, and we're going to submit that.  We suggested that you might want to write about M enable.  Is that still correct?  
>> Axel:  Yes.  
>> Andrea Saks:  Judy, have you resent what your thing was?  
>> Judy:  I'm resending.  
>> Andrea Saks:  You are resending.  We have Gunela's.  Put up Gunela's.  Where are we?  Okay.  I'll be happy to present.  I'll concentrate on Pacific island countries and any input is very welcome.  Can we go down so we can see what Gunela actually spoke about?  There we go.  I need down there.  We have to move it up.  No, the other way, up, up, up.  Okay.  
Okay.  Where is Gunela's part?  No, that's mine to her.  I need hers.  Oh, there.  Do we have a paragraph for you, Gunela, an abstract?  
>> Gunela Astbrink:  I've just written that in the chat that I need to write an abstract, and I'll do that in the next couple of days.  
>> Andrea Saks:  All right.  That's fine.  And with your credentials and your bio, please.  That will be fine.  That would be lovely.  So we won't be able to act on you until probably ‑‑ you're in Europe now; right?  
>> Gunela Astbrink:  I'm on the way back to Australia on Saturday.  So I'll be writing something at the airport.  
>> Andrea Saks:  Okay.  As long as we get it before Monday, that would be great.  If we get it on Sunday, that will be fab.  
Then we have Gerry's, which he was going to do public procurement.  We have his.  Judy has resent hers.  And I haven't written mine either.  Mine is going to be on relay services.  So we have the three positions.  
Now ‑‑ I mean, the five subjects, and I was going to write a small overview, which was how it actually ties in to enabling inclusive and sustainable growth.  That was our title and for Axel, just to make sure, "The Internet and developing sustainable accessibility goals for persons with disabilities."  
The theme that we have to deal with is that, so you tie in what with you do.  Axel, you basically run an organisation that tries to do that.  Do you want to make comments of how you see your particular presentation, please?  Are you still there, Axel?  
>> Axel:  Yes, yes.  Can you hear me?  
>> Andrea Saks:  Yes, we can. 
>> Axel:  Can you hear me?  I can.  I would also like to use the telephone, but we are going to use Adobe Connect.  The title is a little bit of inaccuracy in that the word "developing" doesn't seem to be necessary because the STG have been developed by the UN already adopted.  So I would say probably would not need that "developing" word.  
>> Andrea Saks:  It's difficult to hear you.  So I'm not sure what you have just told me.  You've talked about the word "developing."  Are you giving me the title of your presentation?
>> Axel:  No, I'm trying to make the point that the word (?) It has already been adopted by the United Nations.  
>> Andrea Saks:  Yes.  I'm sorry.  I don't see the connection.  Just a second.  We're looking at the captioning.  What is he saying?  "I would it is lining to use the telephone, but we are going to use Adobe Connect.  The title is a bit of inaccuracy in that the word "developing" doesn't seem to be necessary because the STG has been developed by the UN already adopted.  So I would say probably we would not use that "developing" word.  
You want to change the title; is that correct?  We are not "developed."  There seems to be ‑‑ what's that?  Who is making ‑‑ okay.  This was title was chosen during two other calls, so what I'm getting from you is that you would like to change the title.  Is that correct?
>> Axel:  I don't want to change the title, just to make it accurate, because (?) 
>> Andrea Saks:  I'm sorry.  I don't understand what you want to do, because we have the word "developing" in our title, which was accepted by the group previously.  If you don't like the word "developing," ‑‑ why don't you type in the box for us what you would like?  That would make it very easy.  Then we'll see what we can do. 
De is saying something.  Okay.  Let's read what everybody is saying.  I still need to write an abstract.  Okay.  Now, it is ‑‑ De says, it's the "sustainable accessibility goals."  Okay.  The Internet ‑‑ okay.  And "so developing is okay." We're not completely accessible is the point.  We are continuously developing as technology comes around and the view, I think, that everybody had is that we have a long way to go.  So things are being developed as well as technology, as well as policy, as well as implementation.  So that was why I think "developing" was chosen, which I think holds true.  Axel is trying, which makes it easy.  
We have an hour and a half.  We have, actually, another hour.  That's fine.  We can take time with this.  I'm glad you're on the call, Axel.  Sound cuts off and you cannot understand what I'm saying, so I'm dropping off from the meeting ‑‑ don't drop off from the meeting.  We can call you on the phone.  Would you like that?  Is he gone?  Is he still there?  Axel is typing.  We really can't do this by email.  You have to stay on in some way.  
What is the phone number?  What is your ‑‑ type your phone number.  Give us your number.  It is 404‑443‑8012.  USA.  Thank you.  Stay there.  Disconnect your microphone, and then we can call you ‑‑ okay.  She's going to do it.  She's going to disconnect your microphone and then she's going to call you.  
Okay.  We'll wait a few minutes so we can deal with this.  What Axel is saying is important if he has a good point to make.  Then we need to take it in.  Who is typing?  
>> Eleonora Mazzucchi:  Sorry, that was me.  
>> Andrea Saks:  That's okay.  That was Eleonora.  Judy's on the phone?  Okay.  Let me see if I've got it.  Axel is connected.  Can we hear him?  
>> Axel:  Yeah, I can hear.  
>> Andrea Saks:  Oh, great.  There you are.  Okay.  So we've got you, and you're still on.  And De is there.  Okay.  So the theme again, can we put that up again on the screen so we can all see that?  Put it on the draft agenda for the 3rd.  Okay.  That's the second.  Now, I can't see where the title is.  Down in Number 4, Axel, that's being highlighted.  "The Internet and developing sustainable accessibility goals for persons with disabilities."  These are practical applications, not the actual policy is where we are all going.  
So, Axel, what would you like to change?  
>> Axel Leblois:  Yeah, I see what you say, that the term developing applies to accessibility goals.  And we can leave it this way.  It's just very cumbersome.  I think when people look at it the same time they may not see the word "accessibility."  It seems a bit weird.  But that's fine.  We can leave it.  If the group is happy with it, let's leave it as it is.  
>> Andrea Saks:  Yes, as I said, it took us a couple of meetings to come ‑‑ we took your original title and messed with it, because we started with yours.  The rest of the group just developed this one.
>> Axel Leblois:  That's fine. 
>> Andrea Saks:  You're okay with that now?
>> Axel Leblois:  Yeah, that's fine.  
>> Andrea Saks:  The use of ICT's and small island and developing states is going to be from Gunela.  The reason why that's in a continuous state of being developed is because they don't have anything.  What they do have is very difficult, they can't really stick a poll in the middle of the ocean and put up a router.  It doesn't work.  The goals of accessibility and sustainable criteria for public procurement, Gerry wanted to do that one. 
Let's put up Judy's.  The open slot was for you.  Where it is, Axel, is that Francesca is going to come back to me with something.  I made the suggestion, and it's only a suggestion, that you, basically, help practicallies by giving a venue for people to come and express what's real and what's really happening and what people want to do as well as what people have done in the few years that you have been operating M enable.  It's six now, isn't it?
>> Axel:  Yes, the other option is to discuss the latest results of the survey we did in 104 countries on how much ICT accessibility goals are achieved or not achieved.  
>> Andrea Saks:  That's fine.  If that's what you want to do.  It was only a suggestion from me.  You get to do what you want.  So ‑‑ 
>> Axel Leblois:  I think the topic of the workshop, that information will be quite useful.  It's giving a complete picture of how many countries have accessibility TV, how many companies have services, how many have accessible websites and so forth.  Most of the time they don't, so it's a good analysis, I think, of the metrics that are needed to evaluate the situation.  
>> Andrea Saks:  Excellent.  We have the moderator signaling.  De is saying something.  Axel, someone from Trinidad was telling me great things about last year's M enable.  You can read what De is doing, can't you?  
>> Axel Leblois:  Yes.  
>> Andrea Saks:  Okay.  You can see what De's saying.  I'm glad it's being pointed out to me so I can see.  Right.  Okay.  De, we have got your comments.  I think we're okay on the title.  
Now, if you can give me or if you're going to do the presentation, because you're real good, you really do grab the audience.  It's up to you or Francesca who wants to do this, because it's in December.  The dates are from in Guadalajara, Mexico.  That's not very far from Atlanta.  It is, but it isn't.  So I need you to decide that.  Give me a small abstract.  What you just said was perfect.
>> Axel Leblois:  You would have it by this weekend.  Francesca will be presenting because the IGF this year is, like, a week after the ITU Americas summit on accessibility, which I need to attend.  So I cannot do both.  I will do the ITU and she will do the IGF. 
>> Andrea Saks:  Is that in Peru?
>> Axel Leblois:  No, once a year there is an ITU Americas summit, and this year is in Mexico City on November 29 or 28 and 30 or something.  So it's quite too much a week before of the IGF.  It's problematic to stay in Mexico for, like, two weeks.  
>> Andrea Saks:  However you want to work it is fine.  Francesca has been fantastic, both in Turkey and ‑‑ forgot where we were last time.  
>> Eleonora Mazzucchi:  Brazil.  
>> Andrea Saks:  Sorry.  It was in Brazil.  Anyhow, okay.  That sounds great, Axel.  I'm sure that will be fabulous.  So we now have ‑‑ Judy, I want you to talk about what you want to do.  We keep saying we'll come to Judy and we don't.  
Judy, please explain a little bit for everybody to understand how you're going to do yours.  Go ahead.
>> Judy:  I'm going to be showing the current state of the accessibility.  I don't want to repeat what we are done, so I think I will focus on accessibility.  
>> Andrea Saks:  I couldn't quite understand.  Where is the captioning.  Did we lose that?  Okay.  Just a minute.  We have four computers that we're passing backwards and forwards.  Okay.  So we unscroll.  Where is the scrolling?  Right there.  I got it.  Just a minute.  I just do this.  Unscrolling.  And then I go back.  Where is Judy's comment, "I'm going to show the current state of the accessibility.  I don't want to repeat what we are done, and I think I will focus on accessibility."  
Can you just give me a little bit more ‑‑ have you going to?  Are you going to take your own experiences where you live and talk about your own world there?  
>> Judy:  I will try to focus on global status when it comes to accessibility.  I will have to ask the question the credible data that we can depend on.  Are there any global standards when it comes to accessibility in the area.  
>> Andrea Saks:  That's a big topic, because standards there are a lot of standards.  I want to narrow you down a little bit.  Have you got a title yet?
>> Judy:  Accessibility (?) 
>> Andrea Saks:  Where is that.  It's not come up.  All I'm getting is the word "accessibility."  What is the title of your presentation?
>> Accessibility (?) 
>> Andrea Saks:  We're not getting it.  She's not getting the last part.  Can you type it in, please?  We seem to have a little bit of feedback on yours.  Who is this?  Renata, I acknowledge that we have you on there on the list.  Can you hold one moment, please, while we find out what Judy is saying.  Accessibility in the 21st century.  Got it T okay.  That's your title.  Hi, Renata.  Renata is on.  Renata would like to join the list to make a comment; is that correct?  Can you speak, Renata?
>> Renata:  Yes, can you listen to me?  I think so, right.  Hi.  I am Renata, a new MAG member from Civil Society from Brazil.  I am a teacher in design engineering courses and interested on the topic.  I am also in ICANN and I have known about this work from (?) As well.  But I just wanted to present myself and let you know that I will be trying to follow this work.  I am new to this area.  If you need any help with the workshop, I can maybe suggest or make suggestions.  As MAG members we cannot be coauthors in the workshop proposals, but we are asked to always provide any advice or orientation as needed.  So thanks for the opportunity of following this work. 
>> Andrea Saks:  Would you like to be one of the remote moderators.  I have De doing one.  But I need another one, and could you do that?  Are you allowed to do that?  You could think about it.  
>> Renata Ribeiro:  I'm not sure if I'm allowed.  If I am, I'd love to have ‑‑ the rules are still being discussed by the MAG.  I'm not sure what will come out of this debate, but I can certainly provide advice on the proposal and on the remote participation, ways to go if you are discussing that.  But for now, I think the issue is about not having MAG members speaking too much everywhere.  So they are trying to figure out which participation we can have.  
>> Andrea Saks:  Just to give you a brief explanation of where we are.  We have chosen the speakers.  We are in the process of finalizing the abstracts and the deadline that we have to do.  All these people here that are speaking are experienced experts in the field of accessibility.  And when we all get it said and done, I'm happy to send you the document that we will be submitting to Eleonora on probably Monday night.  
(Laughter) 
So you are most welcome.  And if you want to make comments, I'm sure we'll be happy to receive them.  But what I must get back to you now is making sure that everybody's on the same page.  So let me just recap.  We do not have my abstract.  I don't really have an abstract from ‑‑ we do have the abstract.  Okay.  That's your abstract up there.  Let me go back to Judy.  We do have an abstract.  We're gonna go back to you, Judy, because we're in the middle of yours.  Access in the 21st century.  So that's going to be yours.  So that's fine.  And ‑‑ okay.  That's fine.  Judy, can you accepted me a bio, please.  We also like pictures.  I'm collecting pictures.  Okay.  So we are set.  
Axel ‑‑ 
>> Judy:  Do you want the one with the blue hair?  
>> Andrea Saks:  I probably do on file.  But send it to me again, because it tends to get buried in stuff.  You might want to change it.  Just send me a new one or send me the old one, whichever you prefer.  
So we've got yours.  We've got Gerry's.  We've got ‑‑ Gunela, you're going to extend your abstract a little bit?  Are you still there?  
>> Gunela Astbrink:  Sure.  I really presented a sentence or so.  I'll be sending you something over the weekend.  And I have a question.  You will be getting the different abstract from people and I'm asking or presuming that somehow you will massage each abstract to make them fit the title so that it makes it more streamlined; is that correct, Andrea?  
>> Andrea Saks:  No, I'm not going to change your abstracts.  What I am going to do is link them up in a paragraph of a presentation.  I'm going to write a couple of paragraphs of how it applies, because I could do a little creative license that way.  I'm very good at that.  I write resolutions.  So they're all diverse subjects, which is good.  They're all different, which is good.  The whole point is that we're developing sustainable, accessibility goals.  And that's what we want to do.  And explaining where everybody is, and Axel will talk about his experience at M enable.  I haven't got the right word he's going to give me, but I will use whatever they are in that, and I will use whatever Gerry has done in that so that I pick up bits of everybody's paragraph and make a basic overview that makes it, you know, actually tie together.  
Because in my mind, they do tie together, because accessibility is such a vast subject.  So it doesn't matter if you're talking about purple yams in Japan and you're talking about yellow yams in South America.  They're still yams. 
>> Gunela Astbrink:  I do.  I certainly agree that accessibility is a very wide topic and people in accessibility don't realize how wide a topic it is.  In the course of that, I'm just thinking and looking at Judy's abstract, which is very broad, that if you use each of our abstracts and you are writing a couple of photographs as an overview, maybe that overview is sufficient, because as we agreed with the other topic, instead of having the panel format with the other format, we might not need to write so much.  So the main thing is that what is presented is cohesive.  That, I think, is what you, Andrea, can really do well by pulling the different abstracts together.  
>> Andrea Saks:  I hope you all have confidence in my ability to do that.  I haven't even told you what I'm gonna talk about, because as you all know, I come from the world ‑‑ the deaf world.  I'm a child of deaf adults.  From one of the guys who started the original relay service, which the deaf community depends and which has developed.  And if anything created the American disabilities act in the United States, it was the deaf community being able to communicate with each other without having to drive across town to see if somebody was home or to send a letter to see if they could arrange a meeting, and having to maybe have it postponed for three weeks until everybody could agree on a day.  They could do it like everybody else with a hearing phone.  So I'm going to talk about the value of technology and the value of relay services in enabling the deaf community to become a very strong political movement that enabled us to get our brights and enable us to become a group where empowering other groups of disabilities to join this big worldwide movement.  But it did start way back then.  It actually started long ago.  I've got books from people who have written them and given them to me about people's efforts back in the last century and the century before that.  It didn't mobilize until the 20th century, since I've been alive for the entire time, I can speak as a historian.  That's kind of what I'm going to do.  
I might show some pictures.  We're going to come down to PowerPoints now.  Is everybody clear what everybody's doing?  Is everybody okay on what we have discussed so far?  Got a yes from Judy.  De's typing.  Axel, okay.  Okay.  Good.  It looks like everybody's okay.  And obviously we'll send this captioning out to everybody to make sure everybody's on the same page.  Renata, we've got your email.  So we'll send you the captioning as well.  
PowerPoints.  If we're going to make this more of a discussion, which Gunela has sort of been alluding to and saying we're not going to do do such huge presentations, and we have also expressed to Eleonora that we don't meet in the first sessions in the morning because of all the technical setups, which some of you experienced now that we have to do in order to make our meetings accessible.  We do have time to get together and have a meeting before to establish some kind of continuity.  How many PowerPoints slides have you got?  We really don't want a PowerPoint presentation, but sometimes a visual is good.  Maybe four slides of key points that come ‑‑ they have come to hear you.  They have come to see you.  They haven't come to read your slides.  
I like pictures, so I'm going to do old‑time pictures.  That's going to be my thing.  But certain slides can be used later as reference.  You can have as many of those as you want.  We're not going to put those up on the screen.  Everybody does that.  Nobody wants to read.  Everybody wants to hear what you have to say.  And that was one of the complaints that a lot of people had that their slides had too much information on them.  
What does everybody think about hour point slides and what they're gonna do?  Should we start at the top of the list?  Judy is wanting to say something.  Judy, go ahead.
>> Judy:  I'm okay.  
>> Andrea Saks:  You're okay.  Axel, what do you think?
>> Axel Leblois:  What I think is we probably come and distribute a little document for participants, because the topic of our presentation will be to share the metrics we have.  So it's hard to digest verbally, but we can distribute. 
>> Andrea Saks:  You can still have slides, Axel.  I think in that particular presentation you might want to show some kind of statistics.  That's fine.  What I want to avoid is having somebody just do a long PowerPoint.  In your situation, I'm not trying to tell you not to do it.  I'm just trying to put this out and get your opinion.  So, yeah, bring something.
>> Axel Leblois:  I agree with your approach.  I think there are too many PowerPoints everywhere nowadays, and it's growing.  You don't engage people.  So I think having very sharp PowerPoint, maybe five slides at maximum per speaker would be good.  And let's print them out and give them to people, put them on a slide for persons with visual impairment.  
>> Andrea Saks:  That's a good idea.  Now, if there are five presentations and I gave everybody ten minutes, that would be 50 minutes out of the 90.  We have 40 left.  We could, maybe, sneak another five so you had 15 minutes each, but that takes away from ‑‑ everybody goes over.  I'm wondering who is gonna chair this meeting, because I haven't got that sorted out yet.  We still need a chair.  
Depending upon what happens, I may end up ‑‑ we'll find a chair for that.  I haven't got a chair of the meeting, or we don't have a chair.  I could just do ‑‑ we're gonna do something slicely loose and I could just introduce people and go at the end.  And then open up and just become the ringleader.  I haven't quite worked it out yet.  But something like that, which is a bit more relaxed.  That was my idea.  So if we have minimal slide, we are all friends.  We all know each other.  We're having a huge exchange amongst each other about what we've been doing and what is going on, rather than a formal presentation atmosphere.  Then we do qualify for "other."  What does that sound like to you guys?  
>> Judy:  I think that's great.  
>> Andrea Saks:  We do need a chair for the discussion, even if it's relaxed.  I can do that.  I can temporarily do both jobs.  I don't have to talk about relay.  
Ten minutes is good, says Gunela.  
The only reason I'm doing the presentation is because Gunela put something up about relay services, and I thought, yeah, I can do that one.  We can do it the other way.  
Renata, you can speak, if you want.  Handouts must be available via links.  Yes, we can do that.  
A suggestion of round of lightning talks and plenary.  I think that's what I'm describing, Renata, is that everybody present something and then we open it up.  And we allow some interaction with the audience.  But. 
>> Hi, Andrea.  Can you listen?  Yeah, yeah.  (Renata) so I just thought of, yeah, that's exactly what you are describing, but sort of like putting on the workshop is like mini conference, presenting it as a mini ‑‑ it is a presentation off the Dynamic Coalition on accessibility.  Presenting it as such in the title of the workshop, I don't know, panorama session or giving it a name that encompasses the variety of the richness of experience that I'm seeing here.  Also, opening it up to gather inputs from the audience could be related to the presentation being given.  Like a panorama of experts in accessibility and gathering feedback or gathering input, showing this openness of the DC in gathering input, and also showing its richness and diversity, which is quite remarkable.  
>> Andrea Saks:  Thank you, Renata.  That is kind of what we're trying to do.  I'm very glad that you're able to concisely discuss that and you've got it.  So that's great.  I think I have to go back to at this point is just the specifics first.  I just realized in my brain, we can massage exactly how we Doe this in another DCAD call after we make the deadline.  What I think I wanted to be sure was that we've got one ‑‑ I'll go back to this.  We've got all the descriptions of what we're going to do, each individually.  We've got our bios, we've got our abstracts.  We've got this little paragraph, which I will send out as soon as I can write it.  I think Kaoru can get that.  But I can't do it properly until I get what you give me, all right?  So as soon as I've got that, we'll send that out.  Whether we don't get it in time and I have to blindly send it out, if things can be slightly massaged later, we must make the deadline.  We must get this in by the ‑‑ it says, "Please provide a concise description of Internet govern issue your session will explore and its relevance to the 2016 theme," which is the paragraph I'm going to do, that is "especially abling inclusive and sustainable growth."  
What his this tag business?  Okay.  He will nor, you're back on.  First tag, second tag, and third tag?
>> Eleonora is leaving.  She just typed it in.  
>> Andrea Saks:  We have this.  A Number 8.  Eleonora, can you unmute yourself?  
>> Eleonora Mazzucchi:  Hi, Andrea.  I'll answer your question.  But then I do have to return to work.  I'm so sorry to leave a little early.  On the tags, within the proposal form, every proposer can choose up to three tags.  You don't even have to have three.  You can just choose one, if you like.  And as an alternative to the preset tags, you can write in your own if you are proposing a workshop on a specific issue that you don't see reflected in the tag options.  
>> Andrea Saks:  I don't see the tag options.  I am looking at this paper now.  And I'm seeing the instructions of what we have to do.  I don't understand what this means.  Forgive me for being ignorant.  It says, "We aim to increase community input into the IGF 2016 programme.  This year the MAG will determine the IGF 2016 subthemes based in a large part of submitting workshop proposals.  Please provide a minimum of one and up to three subject matter tags that describe your workshop either by selecting the drop‑down menu, or writing in your own and submitting a new tag or try to use words that you would believe the global community would understand and relate to, and note that submitting patently crude or offensive tags may disqualify your proposal."  
I don't think we'll do that.  "And for tags to reference annex, please click here."  I have no idea what you guys want.  Other than the fact. 
>> Eleonora Mazzucchi:  Reading about this makes the process seem not clear.  You're reading the guidelines, but not seeing the way it works in the actual electronic form on our website.  If you open up the eForm, you'll see the dropdown with the tags. 
>> Andrea Saks:  That's great.  This is important that we're doing that.  Let's bring this up.  Because I think we've here we go.  Let's look at the tags.  Okay.  I got it.  It's accessibility and diversity.  Second tag optional.  
>> Eleonora Mazzucchi:  You're also free to propose alternatives. 
>> Andrea Saks:  We have enhancing accessibility for persons:  With disabilities.  That would be tag two.  What else have we got?  Anybody see anything else?  It keeps going.
>> Judy:  Policies of enabling access. 
>> Andrea Saks:  Okay, ladies and gentlemen, does that sound good to you that we use those?  Or should we change the order?  
>> Judy:  If enhancing ‑‑ is it available under the first tack, enhancing accessibility for persons with disabilities.  Yep, it is.  Shall we put that on the first one?
>> 
>> Andrea Saks:  John that we need to do the other one.  We've always been in diversity and access which doesn't really do it.  Human rights online.  That looked cool.  Let's go back to that one.  Let's put that on there.  And policies enabling access.  Was that the other one?
>> Judy:  Does that mean if we don't have access and diversity ‑‑ 
>> Andrea Saks:  We could put it there.  We're deciding right now.  I just put that there because it was one that was interesting.  Do we want access and diversity, because it would be diverse to have the islands.  It's diverse to have relay services.  It's diverse to have ‑‑ we could take human rights online off.  You see one of the things that came up in a meeting today, Gunela, which is why I picked this, but it doesn't have to be there.  I mean, it's just something that happened today, is that we are actually ‑‑ actually, it was yesterday.  We had a deaf man who is a doctor at a deaf university, and there was a paper that was going to be sent saying accessibility should be regarded as a social service.  And he went ballistic.  He said it's not a social service, it's a right.  Human rights online are the rights of persons with disabilities.  So that was what made me trigger that.  
Access and diversity tends ‑‑ this is what it says to me, I'm not going to decide.  You guys are going to decide.  Indigenous people, women, gender, and access is also technical.  So it could be any one of those things.  They're very easily manipulated terms that could mean anything.  They're very vague.  So let's put policy enabling access.  I don't know that we're getting into policy.  We want to put access and diversity there is. 
>> Gunela Astbrink:  Why don't we have access and diversity instead of policies and access.  
>> Andrea Saks:  Who is writing what?  
>> Renata. 
>> Andrea Saks:  Renata is writing what?  Okay.  "HR is very important to tie with accessibility, but would require giving up some of the earlier tags."  I don't understand why, Renata?  Why couldn't we have the tags that we wanted?  Why would we have to give the other ones up?  We could have all of them if we wished.  I don't understand.  Eleonora, are you still there?  Go ahead, Renata.  
>> Renata Ribeiro:  Can you hear me?  Renata here.  I was just responding to an observation, the observation of changing access and diversity to that tag.  But as De put it very wisely, we can write our own as well.  That would be another thing to think about.  
>> Andrea Saks:  That is an excellent suggestion.  Gunela, do you want to write your own?  Axel, do you want to give me another one?  Any of you want to change that?  We have even enhancing accessibility for persons with disabilities.  We can go back to our title.  That was an excellent point.  "The Internet and developing sustainable accessibility goals for persons with disabilities."  Yeah, go ahead.  
>> Gunela Astbrink:  I think the title is broad.  It's designed to be broad to cover the different and diverse topics we have.  With the tags, the first tag is very specific for enhancing accessibility for persons with disabilities.  That's very clear.  Human rights online, I think, is important because it indicates the point that we are talking about the human rights in regard to accessibility, and the third tag, access and diversity is, let's say, a convenient tag to cover what people might consider our topic would be about.  If each of the presenters wanted to add something specific, that would be really good.  For example, Gerry might want to just have a tag on public procurement.  I might want to have a tag about the small island developing states.  Of course, when people do searches on topics, let's presume that our workshop will be accepted and people choose the particular workshops to attend, there's a lot competition, and they say, oh, disability, disability, that's interesting.  If they search on small island developing states, because it's an area that they're interested in, and they hadn't considered accessibility as a topic under that, then we might get other audience members that we may not otherwise.  So I think it would be great to have additional tags apart from the first three we've already listed here.  
>> Andrea Saks:  We don't have to use tag two and three.  You just gave me an idea.  Human rights for persons with disabilities online.  We can write our own.  Go ahead.
>> Judy, De, and Renata. 
>> Andrea Saks:  "I would go with the three we have," said De.  "I don't think taking out human rights refers to the same human beings out of human rights refers to the same thing."  Renata.  I'd go with the three there, too.  
Axel, you're quiet.  What do you think?  
>> Axel Leblois:  I think the first we need to have enhancing accessibility with persons with disabilities.  The rest I'm okay with. 
>> Andrea Saks:  Everybody else in agreement with that?  What is Judy saying?
>> Judy:  I have a question.  When you talk about human rights online, are we subjecting our presence to online only? . 
>> Andrea Saks:  No, not necessarily.  I think I understand what you're saying, but I'm guessing.  We can see what you have said through the captioning.  So subjecting our presence to online only?  Online is your email.  Online is the web.  Online is going to school.  Online is access to online, being a human rights can mean other things, too.  That's why I thought adding the words "human rights" online for persons with disabilities.  In other words, the right to access.  They have a right to access.  That's why I just added that.  But human rights can also be discussing the fact that people are politically persecuted.  It could be anything.  It's a very vague place.  If I'm not correct, would somebody correct me, "writing our own would make it difficult if these are used for content finding."  That's what Renata just said.  She has a very valid point.  Writing our own would make it difficult for these if they are used for content finding.  Would you like to speak?  Go ahead.  
>> Renata Ribeiro:  I would just like to pitch in on the human rights online tag.  Yes, it's used for content finding.  It would be better if you go with it.  You're right, it's a broad tag, we could be talking about freedom of expression, but it also makes it interesting because human rights for accessibility are not always the first aspect of human rights discussions.  So this would be interesting to have it there.  That is why.  Because it would connect both themes.  And I would not worry about human rights online, about the online suffix, because even if we are not talking about specifically building tools for online access for people ‑‑ for persons with disabilities, we are yet enabling participation in technology and so on.  So I would leave that there, because I think help finding the workshop, help connecting it to broader themes.  I'm more concerns about sustainability on the title and the reflection on the tags that is nowhere to be seen.  How are we going to address that?  I think we use the hashtag and we should address it.  
>> Andrea Saks:  Okay.  Thank you for that.  Going back to the group, I'm just waiting for Judy says, "Okay.  I get it.  We're talking about sustainable goals for accessibilities.  We are narrowing it to accessibility online only.  Are we going to touch on accessibility offline?"  
The Internet Governance society is dealing with the Internet and how it's governed, how it's developed, how it's ‑‑ so we're not talking about curb cuts.  This is something we may not know, but we wrote accessibility guidelines for accessible meetings from the Dynamic Coalition on accessibility and disability, because IGF just wasn't an accessibility group meeting together.  We're moving out of that into the real term and the real area of how we make our society of all the different kinds of disabilities become accessible ‑‑ become included in accessible web, accessible education, everything.  Everything, including governance, to get your pension, is on the online.  We're not actually talking about the physical place, but if Judy wants to talk about that in her specific thing because of where we are now in the global thing of accessibility, because people can't change the world unless they can get to places that they need to be accessibily.  
Judy, you do exactly what you want to do.  You write exactly what you want to write.  I will tie it all together, I promise you, if that was your concern.  Have I hit the nail on the head for you?  "Okay.  Got it."  She said.  
De, accessibility is in the first tag, yeah.  Everybody will find this through accessibility.  So we're clear on enhancing.  Gunela, "Moving it to the top was the right move."  Is everybody happy with this?  Because we've got 45 minutes left, seems like a lot of time, but it isn't.  We're going to move right on down the line.  We will have another call to be more, let's say, massagy about what we're doing.  We just have to get this form sorted out.  And it says provide ‑‑ the next one is, "Provide name and stakeholder group."  We're going to move that up so you can see that.  And so G3ict is helping us with this.  The dynamic coalition, which is us, and G3ict, which has a good profile in the world in another way over, and also is a member of ITU.  And ITU sponsors the DCAD, Dynamic Coalition on accessibility and disability.  We have a secretariat.  We have access to technology.  We have a place to work.  We're in Geneva, and they pay for our Web page and all this stuff.  And our wonderful remote moderator, Alia.  So we are ‑‑ we can put probably all three, ITU, Dynamic Coalition, and G3ict.  And I was thinking we need to put ITU to say thank you for all the money that they have put behind us.  I wanted to kind of put that out there.  What does the rest of the group say?  Judy, "I've got to leave in seven minutes to get an offline meeting."  
I think you're set.  Get me your stuff right away as soon as you can.  And I will ‑‑ and then I will keep you posted on what's going on by email.  Thank you for joining.  That's great.  
Axel and Judy are typing.  Thank you, says Judy.  Axel is typing:  I know you can all see this, but I'm so used to reading this out loud for Gerry.  
Each person can put their own group, but the co‑ ‑‑ Axel, I very much agree with ITU is a cohost if ITU is happy to do so.  I will clear that with them.  I don't think we have a problem with that, because we are co‑organising.  We're doing it right now the way we are working.  I don't think there will be a problem.  
You can just interrupt.  Axel, I would think so:  Renata says yes.
>> Getting a slot in the booth is also on the agenda ‑‑ 
>> Andrea Saks:  Where?
>> It's a little bit up.  It was before.  Let's move it up.  Oh, I see.  
>> Andrea Saks:  Judy, "We're talking about sustainable goals."  We need to go down further.  There we go.  Go down there.  Keep going.  Down, down, down.  Down, down, down to the bottom.  There we go.  Okay.  What are you reading that I'm not reading?
>> It's right here.  I think she would like to speak, actually.  
>> Andrea Saks:  Who?
>> Renata. 
>> Andrea Saks:  Renata, I need to say we have to keep everybody's comments kind of short, not ‑‑ I talk too much.  What would you like to say?  
>> Renata Ribeiro:  Hi.  Yes.  I see that you are finishing up the form for the workshop, but I just wanted to make sure to include the segue the materials into getting space in the booth in the IGF Dynamic Coalition's booth, which is the link Eleonora left.  That would be really interesting if the DC, too. 
>> Andrea Saks:  Which number is the booths?  Is there a booth on this form that we're asking for on this form?  
>> Renata Ribeiro:  It's another form.  I'm re sending it.  Copy and paste. 
>> Andrea Saks:  You're sending it to us.  We're having a look at it now.  That's not a problem, because we do have material.  I know we were being told we were having a booth.  I will clear that up.  Exhibition booth.  DC should agree on ‑‑ no, we're going down.  I don't think we want to be on day zero.  We'll be running around.  We would be happy to do maybe day 2 or day 1.  Can we put this on the screen so everybody can see it?  Let's put this on the screen.  
Oh, okay.  Just a second.  Gosh, Axel, do you remember when we couldn't do this?  We can put things on the screen immediately.  It's wonderful.  
Axel, you will have printed material that you're going to bring; right?  
>> Axel Leblois:  Yes, we can bring some.  The thing is, there is logistics issue as to where you ship and how you get organised.  Yes, absolutely.  We also should look at the IGF has quite a few documents that we jointly published that we could possibly bring there.  Normally they are for sale and they are pretty expensive to print.  So I don't know if we could do maybe policies or something like that.  
>> Andrea Saks:  When I come to see you in a week and a half, I gave one to Francesca, was the memory stick with the three main things on it.  Remember that?
>> Axel Leblois:  Okay, yeah, yeah.  We can do that.  
>> Andrea Saks:  I'm going to bring you some more.  What we can do is maybe do that.
>> Axel Leblois:  What I'm doing seven or 800 people, it's very difficult to cover everybody.  This year we are printing postcards with the links. 
>> Andrea Saks:  We'll figure out what we'll put on there later.  That's a very good input from Renata.  Renata, you've been extremely helpful in helping us think about things we haven't even thought about yet.  We're more concerned about getting registered and done.  I can take care of ‑‑ that's great.  So we will do that, Renata.  Thank you very much.  We can handle the name of the stakeholder group and the it will be three groups.  We can have any of you or your co‑organizers organized a workshop.  We have done that.  Describe how you plan to facilitate the discussion amongst speakers and audience members and online participants, we don't have a problem with that.  I can write something in there.  
Please identify one or more of the provisional speakers for your proposed workshop and their biographical and contact details as required below.  
I guess they want your contact details.  I didn't ask you for those.  Let's put those in there.  And would you guys like a copy of this form?  Why don't we send everybody a copy of this form.  She's already done it, guys.  I don't even know that.  I've been in the middle of this.  It's at that link to the agenda.  Wait a minute.  The agenda is here.  She's ahead of me.  
Develop workshop proposal description copy of the form.  So anything that you want to add on that form, do it and send it to me this weekend.  Whatever I get is going out.  Okay.  
Speaker details.  Okay.  It's all done very nicely for us.  I'll have to thank Eleonora for this.  It's a good form.  Minimum of 50 words.  So everybody has to fill this out.  Okay.  Please find the drop down names of the rostered resource persons, speaker.  Hold control key.  What's that?  Can we do that?  Please find the drop down below the names of rostered resource speakers.  Click on names to highlight and unhighlight each of them.  That's where we're going to put everybody.  Do we know how to do this.  Yes, I know.  This is a sample.  So we would have to put our own.  Let's add somebody's name.  See if we can type in somebody's name.  Can we put anything ‑‑ all right.  We'll worry about that.  That's a technical thing.  We'll worry about that later.  We'll ask Eleonora on Monday morning.  She's gone, or tomorrow we'll ask Eleonora.  We'll ask Eleonora how to do this and we'll put everybody's name in it. 
>> Gunela Astbrink:  It's on the home Web page of the IGF to enter the resource.  
>> Andrea Saks:  We'll find it.  Please describe why you have selected each of your proposed speaker and how the stakeholder's perspective will be represented.  Okay.  If you guys want to do your own, fine.  Send me hints.  Actually, I'll pick stuff out of your bio.  How about that?  You get me your bio.  I'll pick stuff out.  We can manage that.  
Name of the in‑person moderator, if any.  For the moment, I'll stick my own name down.  We can have somebody else if it turns out.  I might turn over my workshop to somebody else.  There are also people there.  If that's okay with everybody just for the time.  We can massage this later.  Is that okay?  Silence is golden.  
Okay.  Good.  The name of the rapporteur.  The rapporteur is to observe the session and to synthesize the discussion into a standard report format, which is outlined here.  Oh, gosh.  Describe your plan for online participation.  Remote participation is with WebEx, which is a piece of crap.  We'll have to have a remote moderator.  De said she would be it.  We can fill these things.  What's happening with De?  Okay.  De says, "I think that's if you need extra speakers."  I will sort this one out.  Your workshop proposal is based on within or more of the UN Sustainable Development Goals.  Please indicate the numbers.  I hate this.  It's a load of rubbish.  
Okay.  We can do that.  I've done that for WSIS and we could do that.  It has no bearing on the MAG evaluation.  This information is collected for programming purposes only and has no bearing on the MAG.  Okay.  We have a copy of the sustainable goals from WSIS.  Did you know that?  Okay.  And we can go through that, no problem.  I did it already for the workshop in WSIS, so I know how to do this.  That's not a problem, either.  
Like I say, we can always adjust it slightly later.  
Upload any additional background paper here.  PDF, doc, background papers should be provided in advance of the IGF meeting, introducing the subject and setting the scene for the discussions in this session.  The expected length of the document is between one or three pages.  To mark this proposal is finished and make sure to check the box.  
We can fill out this form.  I think I've got enough experience to be able to handle this.  Is there anything anybody wants to say about it's okay for remote moderator.  And I think that if we need extra speakers, I will get more clarification from Eleonora tomorrow.  If I have any problems or anything I need to clear with any of you, I will, in fact, send an email.  Okay?  Now, we have to make some more decisions.  We are in agreement that it's 90 minutes?  I think action sell has left. 
>> Axel Leblois:  I'm here, but I've got to leave at the half hour, because I have to prepare a meeting for ten o'clock.  
>> Andrea Saks:  Axel, the floor is yours to say anything you want to say, any contribution you want to make, any help you want to give, any criticism, anything.  Go.  Tell me before you go.
>> Axel Leblois:  It sounds like a good topic, a very good location and I think everything looks very nice.  We'll be happy to help you where we can.  Let us know what you need and Francesca, we'll be there for sure and be happy to participate and assist with the meeting itself.  
>> Andrea Saks:  That's great.  I'll be seeing you very, very soon anyway.  The main thing I've already discussed is to get the dog gone thing in on time.  The main thing, the judgment is usually done on who is speaking about what and how we tie it all together and relate it to the theme and how our title ties everything together.  That is the main thing.  DCAD has never been refused.  DCAD has been considered one of the most prolific and active Dynamic Coalitions, as we already provided with the Dynamic Coalitions accessibility guidelines.  And I do realize something else, at four o'clock I'm on a call for you.  So I think we've covered everything pretty much.  We're down to the end of the wire.  If anybody has any kind of comment they want to make, please speak.  
Oh, thanks, De.  The extra speakers was about the drop‑down list of names.  Fantastic.  Renata, why don't you speak instead of type?  Go ahead.  
>> Renata Ribeiro:  Hi, Andrea.  Yeah.  I wanted to congratulate the group of the good work.  Very nice to get to know this great work here.  And I do hope you can get the booth space, because it would be interesting also because there is the IGF new comers project coming along.  Maybe there will be a booth of new people in the IGF.  Maybe you can tie that all together.  
>> Andrea Saks:  Thank you, Renata, very much for joining us.  You came up with some good suggestions and brought us to places we might not have gone to.  Would you like to be on the DCAD mailing list?  It means you'll know what we're up to. 
>> Renata Ribeiro:  That would be great.  Thanks.  
>> Andrea Saks:  That's fine.  We have your permission.  
De ‑‑ Gunela, "I support participation at the booth."  Okay.  I think we all are in supporting of the booth.  I think we'll try and get a booth, because we may not have written the material that we want to put on the booth, right, Gunela?  We may write it the rest of this summer.  Who knows what we'll.  We're going to get it in on time.  Even ‑‑ I'm just across the road from Eleonora, so if I've got questions and problems, I can sort that out.  We can talk to her.  So we'll get this done.  We'll send everybody a copy of what we're doing when we've done it, and just send me your abstracts, your contact details, your biography.  If you want a photo, I've discussed if we have photos, people are more interested in coming because there's a person there.  So send me photos.  
And there's something else.  To bring the DC info together in one place, oh, you mean the booth?  Are you talking about the booth, De? ?  I think so.  De is typing.  I'm bending over to one screen.  I've got the captioning in the middle.  I've got the big screen on the wall.  We're going to have to ring off in a minute.  I propose it at the DC meeting.  Propose what, "I proposed it at the Dynamic Coalition meeting."  
You mean of all the Dynamic Coalition meetings that we had that we bring all Dynamic Coalition mechanics together at the booth.  Is that what you're saying?  Got it.  I'm so sorry I have to leave, says Renata, but we'll be joining other activities.  Thank you, Renata, for being with us.  It's appreciated.  And we have to stop because the time is over.  
So thank you very much.  If we've missed out saying anything, Gunela, thank you for joining us on your holiday.  Very much appreciated.  And Judy has gone.  Everyone's gone.  We're done.  We can do this.  Thank you very much, everybody.  Thank you for the captioner.  Is it Becky?  No, it's Lesia.  Thank you very much, captioner.  You've been a big help to me.  Thank you Kaoru and thank you Alia.  Bye‑bye.