May 12, 2016
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>> GERRY ELLIS:  Hello.  Gerry Ellis here.
>> I'm getting a big echo here.  Hopefully it won't distract too much.  Hopefully it won't confuse too much.  
>> ANDREA SAKS:   Gerry, can you hear me now?
>> GERRY ELLIS:  I'm still here listening in, yeah.  I'm still here listening in.  
>> Andrea Saks:  Is there a delay?
>> GERRY ELLIS:  Half a second delay.  I hear myself as well.  So it's repeating in my ear.  So it's okay.  
>> Andrea Saks:  Are you using the regular phone?
>> GERRY ELLIS:  I'm just using a desk phone, a normal phone. 
>> ANDREA SAKS:  Can you say something, Shadi?  If you could speak up.  That would be great. 
The documents are here from the web page:  Francesca, you're on.  Could you say a few words, please?  And can you unmute Shadi?  
>> Shadi:  I've muted myself. 
>> Andrea Saks:  Francesca, can you type in the box, just to say that you can hear me?  We have Francesca, but we don't seem to have her is Diedre in the chat box?  Great.  Williams.  Francesca, I can't hear.  De will type.  I think we still haven't got ‑‑ hi, Axil.  Can you speak so we can clear your voice, please?  I'm just going to start in one minute.  I'm just going to double‑check.  I still have not been able to hear Axel.  Francesca's typing.  Good.  Francesca typing.  Francesca, are you going to type your responses or speak them?  
>> Francesca Bianchi:  Speak.  Can you hear me?  
>> Andrea Saks:  I can hear you.  We're in business.  Start with the agenda.  Okay.  Welcome, everybody.  I think we've got everybody online that said they were going to be here.  And that is Gerry Ellis in Ireland, Axel I think in Atlanta, Diedre Williams in one of the small islands, and I'm sure I forgot which one.  We have Eleanora Mazzucchi.  
We have Caro who is with the ITU Secretariat.  We have Shadi who is with W3C, and Xiaoya Yang, who is on the Dynamic Coalition, and we have me, who doesn't know what's going on half the time.  We have Patricia as our remote moderator.  De is he in St. Lucia and is going to type something.  The minute she types something, she'll wave her hand.  
If you would like to see the agenda in Adobe Connect, you can also see the captioning in the lower end of the screen.  There is a speaker symbol and a mic symbol and there is the raise‑your‑hand symbol.  Just type it into the chat box and we'll pick it up.  
This is with the 2016 Internet Governance Forum, a new meeting that's going to be in Mexico.  It's called Enabling Inclusive and Sustainable Growth.  And it's tentatively scheduled to take place from the 6th through the 9th of December, 2016 in Guadalajara, Mexico.  We put your full name in there.  Marcus Kumer organised the Dynamic Coalitions.  
We had the roll call.  Everybody knows that before you speak you say your name for the captioner.  And I don't know the captioner's name.  She did tell me, but it was a new person.  Please, captioner. 
>> CAPTIONER:  Lesia Mervin. 
>> Andrea Saks:  We do not have sign language interpreter because we don't have someone in the audience.  
What we'll start today with is Item 2, what happened at the Open Mag meeting, which they were on the 5th and the 6th and the 7th of April.  And the main thing that happened in the order that it happened ‑‑ I don't know if it was the exact order ‑‑ it happened more towards the end, was the decision of the main theme, which is Enabling Inclusive and Sustainable Growth.  
And there was a presentation of the host of the location, which is in Guadalajara, Mexico.  Do you think we can show the website?  I think we'll try that.  And you guys can have a look at it in Adobe Connect just to get an idea.  Is it going to work?  Is it not working?  You have to double click it.  You go here.  We can't show the website, we're trying to show the website here.  There is a link.   
We can't get the link up.  This is the cultural Internet of Cabanas in Jalisco, Mexico.  And the Internet Government Forum is a multistakeholder for policy that you all know.  Is it going to show us anymore?  Can we move down and see if there are any links to show us about the place?  The venue.  Stop right there.  Photo gallery.  Let's have a quick look.  
We've got an hour and a half, so you can see that it's extremely beautiful.  There are lots of wonderful places to go and see.  And the Mexican hospitality is quite fun and interesting.  And I've been there before with the plenipotentiary of the ITU.  This is now in Spanish, but they will be, I think, more developed; is that correct?  So that people can go on the web page and find out more information in English?  Is that correct, Eleanora?
>> Eleanora MAZZUCCHI:  Sure.  Over time there will be details about the venue, maybe even a floor plan eventually and much more detailed information for participants as we get closer to the dates. 
>> Andrea Saks:  I understand from you that we have a good situation regarding the fact there were only some upstairs rooms that would probably ‑‑ that we probably won't use in the premises, and the rest of it is flat and accessible for wheelchair users.  So that's all well and good.  
>> Eleanora MAZZUCCHI:  Yes.  
>> Andrea Saks:  You can have a look on your own.  The deadline, we don't have a lot of time.  Is the deadline for the workshop is June 6.  It was going to be earlier, but I managed to squeak in an extra week.  I wanted two, but I got half.  And there was a decision made also for the main session for Dynamic Coalitions.  We'll have another one.  Are we going to have two, he will nor, or the one?  I missed that.
>> Eleanora MAZZUCCHI:  They didn't decide. 
>> Andrea Saks:  I didn't miss it.  That's fine.  We had two last time.  The Dynamic Coalitions give what they're doing and how they're getting on and how everything is happening.  
Now, E, accessibility of the venue, that's to trigger my brain to tell everybody that the Dynamic Coalition on Accessibility and Disability Guidelines were put into the host agreement and they have them.  So they are using what we have created.  Congratulations everybody, especially Francesca, who did so much work, both in Istanbul and in Brazil in helping pull together the documents.  She's got magic hands and was really good at helping get this together after everybody had their meeting on the Dynamic Coalition there.  
So one of the things that I did want to talk about briefly, but there is no decision made, is we're going to ‑‑ sorry.  Are there any questions or clarifications before I move to Number 3?  All these will be held in greater detail further down.  Anybody have any questions so far?  Okay.  Good.  
IGF fellowships.  It was brought up, but not at the meeting, but in subsequent conversations that the calls that we have been having with Marcus Kumer and all the Dynamic Coalition that call into a special number that Eleanora monitors and everything else.  Eleanora, would you like to explain these calls a little bit to everybody that we've been having for the last few weeks, please?  
>> Eleanora Mazzucchi:  Sure.  So starting with the preparation of of IGF 20 meeting ‑‑ oh, sorry.  So starting in the meeting, it was decided at that time that Dynamic Coalitions have main sessions to better showcase their work, better mainstream their work.  And so at that point in time leading into IGF 2015, Dynamic Coalitions started meeting together for the first time in their history.  So joint virtual meeting were held roughly every three weeks to a month going into IGF 2015, and after IGF 2015, and after they continued to hold these joint meetings every month.  And now we call them DC coordination meetings.  The people who represent the DCs and join the meetings are a part of a DC coordination group, as you know, Andrea, because you have been or someone from DCAD has always participated actively.  So that's the brief history of DC coordination.  
>> Andrea Saks:  We shank Xiaoya a lot.  Do you want to make any comments?  She wants to know when is the next one going to be?  I can't remember right now.  
>> Eleanora Mazzucchi:  It will be the last week in May.  According to the latest results and the Doodle poll, it will be May 27.  We haven't closed the poll yet.  
(Pause) 
>> Andrea Saks:  We will talk about that in a minute.  So you're welcome to join, because this basically is the people who lead the Dynamic Coalitions who are on that call.  The IGF fellowships has been discussed, will there be any.  Eleanora, again, there is no decision that's been made; is that correct?  
>> Eleanora Mazzucchi:  So I will just verify on the fellowships.  The IGF Secretariat organizes normally.  We invite fellows for a period of three to six to nine months throughout the year.  So those are what we normally ‑‑ and they work with us in the office.  So those are our standard fellowships.  I think what you might be referring to, Andrea, are some kind of special fellowships that could be organised for attendance at the annual meeting; am I correct?  
>> Andrea Saks:  Yes.  I'm sorry.  I wasn't clear.  In fact, I really wasn't clear what Marcus had in mind when he brought it up.  I wasn't sure what we were going to do or how we were going to fund.  This is a very open discussion at the moment with no decisions being made; is that correct?  
>> Eleanora Mazzucchi:  Yes.  That's right.  And I think he may be getting with you and we had some options pending the funding through the IGF association, which is from the Secretariat.  
>> Andrea Saks:  I think this would be very welcome, especially for persons with disability because of the fact that it's very difficult for many people who are throughout the world to raise funding to be able to travel.  Does anybody want to put a vote in on that and say something about what they're view would be on the fact that there might be a possibility of a fellowship to be able to travel to Mexico?  Anybody?  Raise your hand.  
>> Andrea Saks:  We can't hear you, Gerry.
>> GERRY ELLIS:  It is always a problem for people with disabilities who are trying to get involved in the standards process or in any process where there are very big, well financed players involved, to get their voices heard.  And the IGF is a very good case in point, because governments can send any number of delegates or any number of officials, whereas people with disabilities and small organizations and small voluntary groups don't have the funding.  I think it's very, very important that a number of people are funded to go to attend this conference.  
>> Andrea Saks:  Okay.  We got ‑‑ that's an affirmative.  We're having echo problems again.  De is typing.  One of the things I wanted to say is, Axel, are you calling on a mobile phone?  And can you ‑‑ have you muted Axel, or is Axel muting himself?  Patricia?  Axel, speak.  I can't hear him.  I can't hear you.  Patricia, speak loudly.
>> I think he should be able to speak now:  He should be able to speak now, Mr. Leblois.  He's unmuted.  He can talk now.  Let me just recite something, because there is a problem with echoing.  I have to mute the room here when people talk, and I have to unmute the room here when you talk.  So that's the whole issue.  I have to juggle between both.  
>> Andrea Saks:  Thank you for the explanation.  All right.  So everybody is muted for the moment.  If you want to speak, please use the hand‑raising signal at the top of the page.  The reason why I was asking if Axel had a mobile is that he would not be able to use hand‑raising thing.  
Axel, is there anything that you wanted to say?  
>> Axel Leblois:  Can you hear me?  
>> Andrea Saks:  Yes, we can.
>> Axel Leblois:  I am on my computer.  
>> Andrea Saks:  Do you see at the top that there are some icons where it says "meeting" on the top left‑hand side?
>> Axel:  Yes, I have that.  
>> Andrea Saks:  And it has not happened?  Okay.  I'm muted.  I am muted.  You're not muted now.  What would you like to say?
>> Axel Leblois:  I have nothing to say.  (?) (?) the notion of fellowships. 
>> Andrea Saks:  Okay.  Thank you.  That's fine.  Thank you very much, Axel.  
Okay.  So we're hoping, of course, the Dynamic Coalition would be considered definitely to have fellowships for other people to come.  
The hand‑raising thing doesn't seem to be working, because Axel said that he had tried to use it and there was no response.  
Okay.  We'll just ask everybody individually and have to do it that way.  
Now, this is where I'm going to turn it over Eleanora.  So what is the purpose of the Dynamic Coalition Coordination Group?  And there is a presentation of the DC work, which is what we're going to call Dynamic Coalition, and the draft of the Dynamic Coalition Coordination Group.  Can we put that up so everybody can see that?  This is on the Dynamic Coalition page on the ITU if you want to look at it in your own computer more completely.  Again, I'll turn this over to Eleanora.  The meeting is the 27th of May already.  Would you like to add anything to that?  
>> Eleanora Mazzucchi:  Well, I gave a brief overview of how Dynamic Coalitions started meeting together, and that was really the impetus for this coordination group.  You were there in Brazil, Andrea, but I think when Dynamic Coalitions met together for the first time face to face, there was a kind of energy and a realization that it would be positive to continue to meet together.  That's where the idea for the coordination group sprang up.  This is also something that the Secretariat agrees with, is that it's felt that there needs to be slightly more procedural standardization among DCs, or at least some common rules that they all agree on.  
The main purpose of this group is to decide on what those rules are going to be together.  And some of the sounding principles or rules so far are the so‑called three opens:  That each DC should have open membership, open archives, and open mailing lists.  
So we're hoping to have firm and decisive agreement on that during the next coordination call so that we can make these rules public on the IGF website, and that they're going to be rules for new DCs for establishing DCs moving forward.  
In the draft TOR that you have there on the screen, there are bullet points that kind of lay out what some of the other activities that the coordination group will undertake.  Among them are sort of acting as a go‑between for the larger membership of all DCs and the Mag and the Secretariat, and also to take a leading role in any future DC main sessions at IGF annual meetings, including this year's one, which is why brainstorming ideas for the main session is also a big item on the next coordination call.  
So regarding the future DCs main session, the DCs have not really gotten into this discussion yet.  I was hoping that maybe a little bit during this call some suggestions would emerge.  I don't know if this is something on DCAD's radar very much or not, but during the DC section at the IGF, each presented an output document what was collected from the rating sheets.  My feeling personally is that maybe not all DCs were and maybe structure was around them.  I don't know if you, Andrea, have any particular opinions on this, since you were there and you saw how the main session worked.  But maybe you would like to weigh in or before the next DC coordination call, collect some inputs from within DCAD for what could make an engaging and interesting main session for DCs this year.  
>> Andrea Saks:  Interesting idea.  I personally felt that the rating sheets were interesting, but I didn't know whether it would really impact what we really want to do, which is to have Dynamic Coalition actually have some kind of influence over the Mag.  The Dynamic Coalitions are a synthesized group.  There was one for library, one for gender, one for obviously ours.  There were several of them, net neutrality in all of that.  
The people who are interested in those particular areas joined those Dynamic Coalitions.  But up until the DCAD guidelines were given to the Mexican host, no Dynamic Coalition has influenced the Secretariat or the Mag with what they're doing.  So we are actually made the breakthrough.  I thought I might do one small thing, because Gerry may not have had time.  We just got this in terms of couple of days ago to put out.  The members of the group in our Dynamic Coalition, and I'll throw this in at the same time, have to actively participate and contribute in the group, which we try and do, as a priority consult and work with all members of the DC community, represent the interest of the DC community, as well as those of their own coalition, engage in respectful and constructive dialogue within both the group and in liaison functions, communicate openly and transparently with the group's activity, and share DC's work as well as the DCC, which is the Dynamic Coalition Coordination Group recommendations in an open and transparent fashion.  We're all happy to do that.  I don't think there is anything controversial, unless I see somebody's hand go up.  We're still working, by the way, if everybody can see, on the sound.  Thank you, Patricia.  
So we basically don't know what everybody feels about this.  This is important, and I don't want to spend too much time on it today.  We can also discuss this through the rest of the summer, spring and summer.  We do want to move on to the workshop, because there is that deadline of the 6th of June.  So in developing a group organisation of all DCs, I don't think it's clear to me, and maybe Eleanora, you can jump in, because it does say in one of the other bullet points, which is quite long, but one of them that I really liked was acting as a liaison to the IGF Secretariat and the Mag, including face to face and virtual Mag meetings throughout the year.  
Again, the idea that we could actually influence the Mag, I think, is an extremely interesting one.  Has anybody not seen or looked at the draft terms of reference and would like me to read out the group activities and procedures bullet points for them before I go any further?  I'll turn off my mic and we can unmute everybody and they can speak.  
Okay.  Well, I'll take it that that's not ‑‑ okay.  I'm going back.  If anybody ‑‑ thank you very much, Eleanora.  If anyone doesn't have any further questions about the Dynamic Coalitions Coordination Group, which will be referred to as the DCCG from now on, that's fine.  We'll develop the ideas and report back on the next call with the other meeting and how we could possibly influence the Mag if we need to.  
Eleanora, go ahead.  
>> Eleanora Mazzucchi:  Oh, hey.  I didn't want to stop you from moving on.  I just wanted to adjust a little bit to that point about the DCCG and liaison functions because I feel like maybe in the coordination calls we've spent a lot of time going over this and without any definitive conclusion as to what this means.  
In the language of the TOR, I just wanted to clarify that the group itself does perform a liaison function, even though there are, you know, two group coordinators who really do advocate for the DCs community and who do have a connection to the Mag.  I'm talking about Marcus and Avery.  But this is just to point out that the reason why the group itself is also a kind of liaison is because the DC community is really quite large.  I don't know what the membership number is for DCAD, but in other DCs there can be, you know, over a hundred members and hundreds of people subscribed to their mailing list.  The DCCG is kind of a way of condensing DC messages and what the priorities for DCs are.  I also want to point out that the meetings are open.  So more than one person from DCAD can participate at a time if they want to.  That's it.  
>> Andrea Saks:  It was ‑‑ I didn't know it was open to just DCAD members.  We'll email the next call information out, then.  Xiaoya, can we do that?  We'll do that.  
Gerry, do you want to make a comment?  Gerry's not on the page because this most tools that we use for remote participation do not have the ability to allow a screen reader and someone else to be able to have two audios.  He can't control the audio of the Adobe Connect or WebEx for that matter.  So we always call him.  Gerry, do you want to say anything?  
>> GERRY ELLIS:  Hi, Gerry here.  Just a query that when Eleanora was talking about she talked about our our DCs should coordinate or influence or be active on other DCs.  I wasn't quite clear what she meant.  Would us being involved with the DCCG be considered as satisfying that requirement?  
>> Andrea Saks:  Go ahead, Eleanora, and answer Gerry's question, if you would like.  
>> Eleanora Mazzucchi:  I'm not sure if I fully heard the question.  I'm reading ‑‑ I'm actually why captioning is so useful.  I'm reading it here in the captions box.  I wasn't saying that DCAD in particular needed to coordinate more with other DCs, because actually DCAD has been very good about thus far sending a representative to these DC coordination calls and Andrea, as you know, is very active and energetic and very visible in a lot of IGF processes.  But just that these DC coordination group calls are open, and that there is no strict rule that one person from DCAD at a time can attend these DCCG calls.  And I think it could be really useful for anyone else from DCAD to join.  The DCs should coordinate more among themselves.  I didn't mean that DCAD needed to coordinate more with other DCs, but just in general.  
>> Andrea Saks:  What Axel said, so Gerry knows, Axel has made a point and I tend to agree with him.  We did a lot better when we just did a regular phone call, gave everybody the URL for the captioning, and people who needed the captioning would use the chat box on the URL for captioning to communicate with us if they had to deal with ‑‑ to say something, since they may not wish to use their own voices.  And the situation was that Gerry was not hindered because we would just go through the roster, like in a sense going blind.  I asked people's names, would you like to make a comment.  Because we don't have that many people on, we could function that way.  
There is something that just happened now where Eleanora was able to look at the captioning and being able to speak.  And the other problem is that you all can use the chat box, the captions all in one box.  The sound problem actually is something that is within the ITU.  We're in an older room, and there are some difficulties with the room that I can't deal with.  
We can go back to the old way.  Again, this would be something that's I'd like you all to comment.  Then we've got Diedre in St. Lucia, who ‑‑ actually, she could definitely be on the call.  We could ‑‑ but she couldn't go through ‑‑ she could just be on the captioning.  I don't know if we would be able to call her in St. Lucia.  I'd have to ask Xiaoya.  Could we do that and call her in St. Lucia?  I'll look at that again and I take your point.  Does anybody have any comment regarding what I just said?  
(Pause) 
De just said if there is a chat box, I'm okay.  Okay.  There's no reason why we couldn't try Skype.  
Xiaoya, what do you think of that?  Because this is very difficult.  We have the same exact problem with WebEx when we are working with the IGF, when we're in an IGF environment in the meetings like we were in Brazil.  We had exactly the same problems.  Francesca will remember, it took us half an hour to do a setup and we weren't in the room early enough to be able not to lose time.  
So the conferencing calls are very, very difficult using the tools.  None of them are perfectly good.  And Axel says I like Adobe Connect a lot, but it's not working well for us for DCAD.  Losing too much time catching up with sound cuts.  That's a very good point.  
Patricia, will you take a note of that, and send that information to see if there is anything we can do about that.  
It works best with a preinstalled setup.  I'm not sure what that is.  What is a preinstalled setup, Patricia?  Can you answer that question?  Axel is still typing.  I'm going to eventually move on from this subject, because remote participation is not completely good.  Axel is answering the question for me.  For a university or company ‑‑ Gerry, feel free to jump in.  I'm going to let you have jump in rights.  Just say, "I want to talk," because you can't raise your hand.  Everybody has a predefined user setup.  
Xiaoya, would you like to make a comment regarding that?
>> Xiaoya yang:   Yes.  This is Xiaoya from (?) I would just ask a few points about the remote participation tool.  I agree that there's no perfect tool ever.  So far the most reliable collaboration tool is email.  We do have a mailing lists.  Everybody's on.  We can contribute at any time to this mailing list without input.  And it's just unavoidable that during our conference call someone might have a problem with any tool.  So we try a lot to help.  Definitely, I agree with you that we can try Skype.  We can try normal conference call.  We can try all different possibilities, but when our meeting is scheduled, that's already prepared.  We just help ourselves.  If there is any further questions, it's resolved offline.  It's not necessary that we discuss every ‑‑ every technical issue in the conference call itself.  
>> Andrea Saks:  Thank you, Xiaoya.  Axel couldn't hear you.  
Axel, do you have access to the captioning?  Because when the sound goes, everybody hits the captioning.  And, Xiaoya, shall I read it out?  Again, because what Xiaoya said was I would just add a few points about the remote participation tool.  Shall I read it?  I can read the captions?  Okay.  
What often happens is, as Xiaoya says, everybody adapts, because all the tools are not designed for persons with disabilities.  And there is somebody working on it in the United States called Greg Vanderheiden, who has found away to do it much better.  If you're familiar with his work, Shadi knows who he is, Francesca knows who he is.  He has a group called Raising the Floor, in other words making it a level playing field.  Hopefully some things will come about where we'll improve.  What we have ‑‑ it hasn't been perfect even when we've done a phone call.  Sometimes that doesn't work where we do a conference call.  
So I think does everybody want to do a conference call next time and be sure that you read your documents?  Because you won't be able to see them.  Would everybody like to try it that way?  Please make your comments, because we'll adopt to what you want.  Any comments, typed or otherwise?  
>> GERRY ELLIS:  That's fine.  
>> Andrea Saks:  Thank you, Gerry.  Usually acceptance.  Axel is typing.  Yes.  Use the system which allows to raise your hand with a key S or other.  I don't know if we have a system that uses the key S.  He's looking at me like he doesn't know that.  Key S ‑‑ oh, is it ‑‑ raise your hand with a key 5 or other.  Unfortunately, Axel, I don't know which accessibility ‑‑ which remote participation tool you are discussing that would do that.  Perhaps we could work this out offline.  What we'll do is that we'll talk about how we're doing this.  This will be very interesting, because the information that we learn, we will pass on to Eleanora and the Secretariat at the IGF.  
Okay.  Offline.  I'll be seeing you soon in June.  You can show me something that I can learn from you for a change.  Ha‑ha.  
I think we'll move along.  Struggle as you can.  I can read the chat box.  Patricia is reading the chat box.  Gerry, we have sent you in plain text the terms of reference of the Dynamic Coalitions Coordination Group.  If you could look at that and send us an email.  
I'm going to go back to the ‑‑ not to the meeting report, but to where is my ‑‑ to the agenda, please.  And we're going to move on because of the fact that we really want to get to the workshop.  Where is my agenda?  Here we are.  Okay.  Is that okay?  I hope that's okay with everybody.  Fine.  
All right.  The next meeting for the call for the DCCG is the 27th of May.  We will send the information out to everybody so they can join it if they wish.  Okay.  We do have the report of the last meeting in Brazil.  Sorry?  Oh, she's raised her hand.  
Eleanora, would you like to say something?  I'm sorry.  
>> Eleanora Mazzucchi:  No, no, I'm sorry for I'm just about to get started on the workshops.  For the DCCG call, the 27th of May is not set yet.  That looks like that will be the most likely date.  We were polling the DCs community to see what date works best for everyone.  That's where he it looks like consensus is going, but the date is not set yet.  
>> Andrea Saks:  We'll take note of that.  The report of the meeting in Brazil, we do have ‑‑ well, maybe we can quickly cover this as well.  We do have to find the way of asking for a Dynamic Coalition meeting or a live face‑to‑face meeting.  We don't know the mechanism to do that.  The rules were we had to make a report, which we did.  The report of the last meeting went through all the difficulties that we had.  We mainly finished off the Dynamic Coalition guidelines now being used by Mexico.  
We do need to have somebody volunteer to be the remote moderator for the live Dynamic Coalition meeting.  When we get there.  It doesn't have to be decided today, but we'll ‑‑ we will need to have somebody do that.  We always need 15 minutes at the very least to organize the technical difficulties that we might have, because we do have remote participants.  We had them in Brazil, and we had you, Gerry, and we also had ‑‑ oh, my goodness, what's her name?  We had somebody from Australia who was calling in as well.  And she had an iPad and WebEx does not work well with iPad.  That was something that we need to do if there is ever any comments anybody wants to make about the bullet points for a meeting.  
Eleanora, how do we request that we have a Dynamic Coalition meeting?  It varies from year to year.  
>> Eleanora Mazzucchi:  Sure.  I'm going to publicly invite DCs through the mailing list early next week to submit the requests with the deadline end of June, probably, to have a face to face Dynamic Coalition question.  As you noted, on the DC page of the IGF site, a prerequisite for having your own DC session, your own room and slot, is to have produced a report.  It can be a thematic report or report of activities during the last year.  Since DCAD produced a report for IGF 2015, that requirement is already fulfilled for you.  
>> Andrea Saks:  Eleanora is really wonderful being here, because when I don't know the answer, I can just ask her, which is great.  
Any other questions?  I'm looking to see if anybody's writing anything.  Okay.  De is typing.  And I will read out what De says in just a minute.  Okay.  Does anybody else want to speak about what's going on with Item 5, Dynamic Coalitions?  And I want to move on ‑‑ oh, De.  "I'm always happy to be remote moderator if I'm there, but last year I was pulled out at the last minute as remote moderator for the main session, so perhaps I'm not to be trusted."  
De, you can always be trusted.  We'll put your name down because you're good at it.  I think everybody agrees that you are very dedicated.  If anybody has an objection ‑‑ we'll put down anybody who wants to do it, and we can always decide.  De, you're the first volunteer.  I don't think anybody is going to object.  If they do, they better raise their hand.  
De is typing.  De said thank you.  She's still typing and I'll read what she says in a minute.  
Moving on down, I would like everybody to look at guidelines.  And I'll read them out.  Do we update again?  I've already told you the good news that the host agreement is using them.  Bad news, remote participation is still not good.  We know this.  Any other accessible problems in Brazil that anybody wants to mention, and since Judy is not on the list, there is a possibility that she might come up with some.  
She had an accident there, because the floor was so slippery, she went down and injured her head and had to go to hospital.  So there are certain issues about persons who have mobility problems.  Everybody handled it really well, but we have to look at that.  Sign language and interpretation, Spanish and English captioning.  We only just discussed briefly in the meeting that we had with WSIS, which is the World Summit on ‑‑ what does WSIS stand for?  WSIS, the World ‑‑ 
>> GERRY ELLIS:  The World Summit Information Society. 
>> Andrea Saks:  Thank you very much.  De said, "Thank you for the vote of confidence."  Axel did it as well.  World Summit on Information Society.  Thank you.  
Does anybody else want to comment on that?  Also, one other point is the availability of the captioning, URL for all sessions.  They should have them published according to the rooms and according to the sessions, so that people can, in fact ‑‑ IGF was one of the first organizations to caption everything.  And, therefore, people can get the captioning immediately in the room on their own PCs, but they weren't always published for people to read because in the big rooms sometimes people can't see the screen well enough to be able to read at a distance.  So that was a suggestion that came up.  
Other accessible probability in problems the Internet for PWDs not ‑‑ PWs not necessarily related to the meeting.  I don't even understand what we wrote there.  Other accessibility problems in general In Re access to the Internet for PWDs not necessarily related to the meeting., what I meant there, which is a bad sentence, is that we really should have been also working on what are the problem ‑‑ this is a Shadi issue from W3C, what are the problems with persons with disabilities and Gerry, too, and also persons who are deaf and don't have captions for the video.  What should we be dealing with in terms of access in general?  What we've been concentrating on the Dynamic Coalition guidelines for meeting.  I think we need to elevate our subject.  So anybody want to make comments on any of that?  We have one half hour later and I want to get onto the workshop.  Gerry, do you want to make any comment about moving up to a higher level?  
>> GERRY ELLIS:  No, I do think we should review again our remote participation part of our document.  Other than that, I'm fine. 
>> Andrea Saks:  Can I assign that to you and be anybody else that wants to do that.  Would you do that, please, and communicate by email as Xiaoya has suggested for everyone to read?  
>> GERRY ELLIS:  Yes, and whoever is over ‑‑ whoever is reviewing the entire document, I'll get with them and try to get something in there about remote participation.  
>> Andrea Saks:  Shadi, since you basically represent W3C, also maybe your viewpoints and what's happening in your organisation would be very valuable for us to illuminate and discuss.  That might tie into the next part of our meeting, which has to do with the actual workshop.  Can I hear a few peeps from you, please?  
>> Shadi:  Yeah.  Peep, peep, peep.  
(Laughter) 
Not exactly sure.  We are actually right now working on quite a bunch of very promotional videos that I hope will be quite engaging.  So we plan to release them next week, actually.  And I think raising awareness continues to be one of the most important things from my perspective, particularly in countries that may not have gone as far as you know Andrea, when we met at the ITU, there were lots of interest from countries interested to see the ITU policy model policy stuff.  They were also happy to hear about the availability of standards that are ‑‑ that they can just use, including standards from W3C, but also from Europe and other developments around the world that are having influences in different countries.  
So I think there is new work.  I think it is interesting to continue promising the aspects that on the one side our technical standards and technical development also for the very advanced aspects, like self‑driving cars and what not, Internet of Things.  We're looking at those and at the same time we need to get people on board to understand that there are people with disabilities actually exist and access to employment and education and, again, the most basic necessities.  So that would be my pitch.  
>> Andrea Saks:  Thank you.  I will ask you again and give you a feeder for a second.  So I presume we're in agreement in talking about not just the guidelines; though, Gerry, I do agree to you that if there is something we can do to make them better.  We'll also circulate to the DCAD ‑‑ have we done this already, the technical purposes that the ITU‑T produced with G3ict on accessibility meetings and accessible remote participation?  
Xiaoya, my memory is bad.  Did we send that out to DCAD or not?  I don't think we did.  We can do that for everybody to take a look, because the guidelines actually kicked off the work that was done in the ITU‑T.  While we were doing the guidelines, there were other people in the T sector who weren't necessarily part of DCAD who contributed.  So they are slightly different, but they have much of the same technical stuff.  
Xiaoya, did we send that?
>> Xiaoya yang:  I believe we have sent email to all the mailing list about the achievements, the documents approved in the ITU.  It must be sometime earlier this year, but I can double‑check.  
>> Andrea Saks:  Okay.  In which case, if it was done earlier this year or before, maybe what we ought to do to assist with the guidelines updating is to send them again.  Can we do that?  We'll just send them again as a result of that meeting.  If everybody thinks that's a good idea, don't say anything.  We'll do that again.  All right.  
I want to get to something very important, which is the workshop decisions.  Now, June 6th is one month away.  No, it's actually less than one month away.  I'm looking at the date backwards.  Let's look at that.  All right.  It is the Monday in ‑‑ well, just over three weeks' time.  We are going to plan another call for that before we do it.  We have some time to do a thinking thing.  Let me just go through the bullet points.  
We have to come up with a title, and it must tie in with the theme, which I will repeat, is enabling inclusive sustainable growth, which actually is quite a good one.  I think you could do a lot with that.  Who wants to do one?  And this is our workshop.  Do we partner ‑‑ Axel, we partnered with you and Francesca.  Yes, please, Francesca, we want you, because you're always so helpful and good.  Axel, or Shadi, or anyone, do you want to partner with us on doing that?  Can I hear from somebody?  And the remote moderator.  So let's just deal with partners first.  Francesca is typing.
>> AXEL LEBLOIS:  Can you hear me?  
>> Andrea Saks:  I can hear you, Axel.  Go ahead.  Now we can't hear you.  Try again.  We heard you and then we couldn't hear you.  
(Pause) 
Axel is typing.  And we got a yes from Francesca, "thank you, Andrea.  I would be pleased to."  
Axel is typing.  We'll see what Axel says.  It was really, really fun to have Axel, to have Francesca with us.  I meant to say it's really fun to have Francesca with us is what I meant to say.  And while I'm waiting for what Axel is typing, we did have a ‑‑ (?) was here and she, in fact, sent an email to all of you and there were a couple of things she put out that she thought would be good.  We did send this to you.  And I'll read them.  
Number one idea was the evolution of relay services.  And the Australian government is undertaking a review of the National Relay Service in the terms of U.S.O. and usage patterns and other factors.  It would be interesting to compare changes in relay services internationally.  However, this workshop proposal would need to be framed to make it applicable to an IGF content.  
This is very interesting, because as Axel will probably confirm, we are doing ‑‑ there will be some workshops on relay services regarding at M‑Enable, and also we are working on a standard here at the ITU about relay services and there are relay services being developed that could go global, which in some cases is extremely important because we need the Internet for sign language.  So it's not an infeasible thing.  
Now, Axel has finished typing of what he's saying.  There are intersections between the SDGs, the development goals, and the CRPD, which have direct implications for the Internet.  And he's typing more.  Are you typing more, Axel?  Axel is typing.  So we got that.  Then I'm going to jump again because of the time issue.  The use and nonuse of ICTs by persons with disabilities in small island developing states.  This applies very very much to Deidra's world and Ganila is also an expert in that area.  Ganila has written here I've been involved with ICT accessibility policy in the Pacific region for nearly ten years.  Currently I'm doing a pilot project gathering data on use and nonuse by persons with disabilities of mobile phones and the Internet.  I know that De is interested in nonuse.  De agrees, yes, it does. 
Now, Axel has come through and I'll ‑‑ De, would you like to work with Ganila and see what you can come up with?  We can apply for more than one workshop, but we need to have ideas to come in for the next call.  I'll give you some homework.  
Now, Axel has said, "Since the topic of IGF is related to the SDG, it should be definitely taken into account."  And then De has written ‑‑ I hope you guys are following, De says, "I'd love to investigate this idea."  That's with the remote island and the nonuse by persons with disabilities and mobile phones and the Internet.  She would work with Ganila.  That's one possibility 
Axel ‑‑ De just said, "I'm a fish, both ways at once."  I don't know what that means.  Xiaoya is typing.  Xiaoya, would you like the floor?  Thank you very much.
>> Xiaoya yang:  I want to confirm that the two guidelines approached last year in October was sent to the meeting list on the 5th of November of last year. 
>> Andrea Saks:  Since it was a long time ago and people's mailboxes are probably jammed, can we do another sending, please?  That would be the ‑‑ well, because if it's anything like my mailbox, and my slow baby computer, I think that would be helpful for everyone to have a look at those, as long as you know the guidelines are on the ITU website under groups or you can go to ITU‑T, the accessibility link at the far right‑hand side and find it.  
Anyway, you're doing it.  She's doing it.  Okay.  De says she's a Pisces, which means she's a fish swimming in both directions.  I have two people typing.  All right.  So anyway, the point is we have a limited time.  We have two proposals of relay services, and we actually did receive the Australian government's study on relay services recently.  And that will be being discussed in Study Group 16 in question 26, which meets on the 30th and the 31st.  It was submitted as a contribution.  Relay services will be discussed and also it will be proposed to anyone there if they would leak to join the DCAD effort if they want to participate in that.  
DCAD has to come out with something and we will give a deadline of when are we going to choose what we're gone do. 
"Those have to do with education, employment, poverty reduction, and smart cities."  
Axel, I have a question.  Have you got a possible title that would be ‑‑ wait a minute.  He's still typing.  I'll wait until he finishes.  So we have 15 minutes left.  What I'm gonna do while everybody's kind of discussing what they might like to do, you're going to have a deadline.  I want everybody to think about doing a title.  Think about it.  Send it to the Dynamic Coalition mailing list before this next meeting, which I propose will be ‑‑ excuse me ‑‑ okay.  I would think ‑‑ oh, Axel says he's happy to send us a title.  That's great.  That would be good.  That would be great.  Now, I think we need to give you a bit of time.  We have ‑‑ I would think if we did a call on the 26th or 27th of May, one of those days might be possible. 
Xiaoya, do we have a problem with those days?  Sorry.  The ‑‑ we're going to give them a choice here.  25, 26, and 27 of May.  I can't hear you, Xiaoya.  You haven't got your mic on. 
>> Xiaoya yang:  I think don't count on me, just decide. 
>> Andrea Saks:  Will you be here?  
(Off microphone) 
I'll have to do it by myself?  Is that what you're telling me?  The week before we can do.  Is that too soon?  So we do a meeting the week before, everyone.  The two gals I relay on are not going to be to be available.  We could probably do that.  That would be the week during ‑‑ why don't we just say the 19th, because that gives everybody an entire week to do something.  Would that be a possible for everybody and we could set it up?  I will be remote as well 
We're waiting for somebody to come through.  Eleanora, are you still there?  Nobody says anything.  
>> Eleanora Mazzucchi:  Hi, Andrea.  Yes.  
>> Andrea Saks:  We can always have another meeting, too, after the fact.  Because that also is the time before Study Group 16 meetings.  And when Study Group 16 meetings, that's when we are very busy.  If we do the 19th, we get a title.  We begin to build, and we can move our reflector.  The 19th is okay for De.  Shadi, what about you?  Could you participate in the meeting on the 19th, the same time?  
>> Shadi:  Unfortunately, not.  Next week I'm not available.  
>> Andrea Saks:  Put your thinking cap on.  Send me something.
>> Shadi:  Okay.  I'll try to.  
>> Andrea Saks:  And we'll do a shorter call if there are fewer people, because they maybe Ganila will be back as well.  We'll do another one.  Perhaps we could do another one ‑‑ will you be able ‑‑ will you be back on the first week in June?  Xiaoya?  Okay.  And we'll plan to do another one in the first week of June.  Will you be around?  Okay.  This is just a preliminary one.  Should we just move it?  I'm going to ask what everybody thinks.  
Eleanora says the 19th is okay.  Even if we don't have everybody on it, we'll just do a shorter meeting and we could talk.  Other people who couldn't join today may be able to join.  So we'll do the 19th.  We'll also put in the diary maybe Thursday, the 2nd of June, as the final‑final day that we have to deal with everything to send out everything, so it's IGF on Monday, the 6th of June.  
So if we could make a note that we're going to do our call on the 19th and maybe an hour and a half on the 2nd of June.  Will that be work?  Okay.  
Now, where is ‑‑ actually, Axel has come out with the most brilliant title.  Here it is.  "The Internet and Sustainable Development Goals for Persons with Disabilities."  Do we want to do that?  So think about that.  Axel said "tks."  Not thanks, but tks.  
Now, I imagine that will appeal to lots of people.  So we all like that title.  De says, Axel, lovely title.  It is short and sweet.  We'll put that out in an email, shall I, to the Dynamic Coalition group?  Can we do that, Xiaoya?  That this is one suggested title.  This is the only title we actually have, except for the evolution of relay services and the use of ICT ‑‑ the use and nonuse of ICTs by people with disability in small island developing states.  We have these three possibilities.  We'll write a note saying we have those.  Is that okay?  Gerry, do you want to say anything?  
>> GERRY ELLIS:  Yeah, I didn't want to interrupt, so I waited there for a while.  Yeah, I'd like to see a workshop.  I think it's a great idea.  I like Axel's title.  It sounds great.  And I'd like to maybe expand the idea of the intersection of the CRPD and the new development goals to include standards.  There is a lot of work going on at the moment around the European EN301549 and Section 508.  As the European public ‑‑ European director on the accessibility of public websites.  There is a lot of work in that area of standards.  And I think we need to bring people at the IGF up to speed with what's happening in that area.  And I think it would work very well.  So I'll write you a note about that.  
>> Andrea Saks:  And copy everybody on there.  Whatever your ideas are, we'll collect them and we will have a meeting on the 19th.  We actually have now eight minutes.  So am I in agreement ‑‑ okay.  We'll make ‑‑ we'll send out a little synopsis of what was decided today.  We have three titles, three possibilities.  We have Gerry's consideration for including, and that would be fine as a presentation within Axel's Internet and sustainable development goals for persons with disabilities, and there is nothing wrong with having procurement in there.  
Axel is typing.  We'll let him do that.  First of all, let me just go back to my agenda, which I totally always end up abandoning.  Okay.  The only other things that we haven't covered are any other business and who may go to Mexico for everybody who goes to IGF in 2016.  But that's a little premature; right?  Probably didn't need to put that in there.  But we do need to see who might be able to go.  That might be premature as well.  But we can handle that.  Let me just go through one other thing in a minute when Axel finishes what he's typing.  
But I tell you what, as I say, first of all, let me just jump the agenda and say is it okay, same time, on the 19th of ‑‑ wait a minute.  Let me get to the right time.  That may not be the 19th.  Just a minute.  It is actually ‑‑ it isn't ‑‑ where are we?  Today, the 14th.  It's actually the 21st ‑‑ I'm in May.  Am I in May 2015?  No wonder nothing is working.  Sorry, guys.  Let me try this again.  I probably was looking at the right one before, but it jumped.  Okay.  It is the 19th.  So the 19th of May.  Is that okay for everybody to have a call at the same time?  Silence is golden.  
Type in the box yes, I agree Andrea, it would be helpful to list both alternative workshop titles and presentation titles.  De says yes.  Eleanora says yes.  Francesca is typing.  So we'll see what happens with that.  So basically I will copy Ganila's concept back and we'll put that in an email, plus Axel's title with Gerry underneath there saying procurement and the two EN301549 and the updating of 508, which is going to be finished in October.  
Francesca says yes.  So are we saying yes to the call?  I presume so.  Axel is typing again.  You all can see this.  But I'm reading this for Gerry.  And Shadi says ‑‑ well, Shadi ‑‑ yes for the call, Axel, yes.  Shadi is typing.  He's a no for the call, but there will be another call, Shadi.  What are you typing?  19th is global accessibility day.  Woohoo!  Thank you, Shadi, it's called GAAD.  That's interesting.  Shadi is typing again.  We have literally five more minutes.  Eleanor is typing.  Accessibility Awareness.  Shadi, what do you mean by is Global Accessibility awareness day?  I got it.
>> GERRY ELLIS:  My understanding that was the third Tuesday of this month, not the third Thursday.  Maybe we could clarify that date.  
>> Andrea Saks:  Nice coincidence, Shadi.  Whatever it is, we'll let you know.  That's interesting wording, too.  Global accessibility awareness is an interesting title.  I think I'll throw that into the mix just for the heck of it.  Shadi, you won't be on, but you'll come up with some ideas.  We will definitely have another call; put this in the diary as far enough ahead on the second of May.  Eleanora, well you take these dates down and times down so they don't conflict with the DCAD ‑‑ the Dynamic Coalition calls?  
>> Eleanora Mazzucchi:  We're aiming for the 19th.  Are there alternative days?  
>> Andrea Saks:  Well, at this point in time there isn't an alternate date for next week, because the girls who assist in me getting this together will not be available the following week.  
>> Eleanora Mazzucchi:  So there won't be any conflict?  
>> Andrea Saks:  And for the second of June we need to make a date for another call. 
>> Eleanora Mazzucchi:  Okay.  
>> Andrea Saks:  That's okay.  So we've got those two dates.  We'll confirm that in writing.  
Now, we've got three minutes for any last words.  Thank you, by the way, Axel, De, Eleanora, Francesca, Shadi, Kaouru and Patricia on the remote participation thing.  We will jog the others and give them the information that we're doing that next call.  Thank you very much for coming.  Anybody want to have any last words?  Gerry, we'll start with you.
>> GERRY ELLIS:  No, thanks to everyone for being there.  I'm a happy bunny.  
>> Andrea Saks:  I called Gerry a bunny, then I told everybody ‑‑ I told him that Patrick, who is the gentleman who escorts Gerry, was a bunny‑minder.  You're a happy bunny, Gerry.  All right.  De is typing.  Axel, have you got anything else you would like to add?  De has said to all of you it's good to meet you again today.  Axel is typing.  And we'll get to that.  And I want to thank Lesia, who is our captioner.  Nothing to add.  Good to hear you today, Axel.  Good to see your typing, Axel.  We'll be talking soon.  By the way, a little plug for G3ict, M enable will be in Arlington on the 14th ‑‑ wait a minute.  Quick, quick, I have to look.  It's on the Monday and a Tuesday, which is the 13th and the 14th and look at the G3ict website for details.  It's one of the best and largest gatherings of persons with disabilities, persons who work with disabilities, all kinds of tools, and all kinds of different promotions that go on.  It's a wonderful, wonderful event.  So please look at that.  If you happen to be able to come to that, do.  
So De says thank you for the meeting and the captioning, and the remote moderation for everything.  Axel and De are both typing.  We have got literally 30 seconds.  So we'll wait for that.  Multiple attendees.  Axel says thank you for the plug.  Okay.  Eleanora is typing.  Thank you for the opportunity to join.  Your remote's welcome and extremely helpful and I appreciate that.  Eleanora is still typing.  Anyway, thank you, everyone.  Patricia and ITU is typing.  Eleanora, thank you for the opportunity to join, please get in touch with questions In Re the workshops.  We will do Patricia of ITU is typing.  What are you typing, Patricia?  Speak.  Thank you.  Don't type.  Speak.  Go ahead, Patricia.
>> Patricia:  I wanted to say thank you to remote participants and I apologize for the issues with the audio.  
>> Andrea Saks:  Thank you, Patricia.  We'll beat you with a wet noodle afterwards.  Okay.  I think we're done, unless anybody else has anything they wish to say.  All right.  Eleanora is typing.  No, it's not.  Okay.  We're done, guys.  Thank you very much.  I appreciate your input.  And until we talk to you again on the 19th, thank you for participating.  
Bye for now.  
(Adjourned)