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INTERNATIONAL TELECOMMUNICATION UNION
DYNAMIC COALITION ON ACCESSIBILITY AND DISABILITY
CONFERENCE CALL
19 MAY 2016

	
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	>> ANDREA SAKS: Welcome, everybody.  I am going to start with -- I put myself up so you can see it's really me.  I am going to start with a roll call of attendees, and also we have Mohammad, who is helping with the technical, Patricia who is the remote moderator.  I can see what everybody is saying.  Kaoru is going to be the Secretariat, and De Williams is on, but she will type.  I will read that, Gerry, so you can have that.  Gerry is on the phone.  
	Eleonora, are you there?  We haven't tested you.  Can you unmute?  Okay.  
	>> ELEONORA MAZZUCCHI: Hi, Andrea, yes, I can hear you.  
	>> ANDREA SAKS: Okay.  Great.  And we have Judy.  Judy, I always forget which country you are in, but you are in Africa somewhere.  I always -- and Judy, can you speak?  It's Judy Okite.  We've lost Judy again.  Judy is typing.  I am here.  Can you not speak?  Or would you rather -- okay.  I got you.  Okay.  
	>> JUDITH OKITE: No, I can hear you.  
	>> ANDREA SAKS: Okay.  Good.  But I want to hear you.  So okay.  
	Now, for those of us on Adobe, if you look up at the top, you'll see you have a green microphone, and I have my video on, and they have the hand raising.  If you want to speak, please push that, and then I tell if you have a comment that you wish to make.  
	So I have done the roll call, and don't forget, when you speak, to say your name, so Heather, who is our captioner, will record that it's you that's speaking.  
	Does anybody have any questions about remote participation before we go on?  
	Okay.  Kaoru?  I don't see a hand coming up.  Kaoru, you have a link there.  Decisions made during the DCAD call on May 12.  Is that going to produce something if you click it?  If so, click it.  Yes.  Can you click it, please?  So we can see that?  
	Okay.  This is what we talked about.  The suggested titles of the workshop to be further discussed today.  And "The use and nonuse of ICTs by persons with disabilities in small island states," which was Gunela Astbrink's suggestion.  
	"The evolution of relay services and the use of ICT."
	"The Internet and Sustainable Development Goals for persons with disabilities."  And now Gerry has changed it slightly, so we now have "The Internet and sustainable accessibility goals for persons with disabilities."  Which was a suggestion of the title change.  
	Then we have remote moderator for the meeting at IGF.  That's for our meeting, not for the workshop.  But Dierdre has volunteered to be the remote moderator if she will be there.  And okay.  And the next -- we have to deal with the -- okay.  We'll deal with the announcement of the DCCG virtual meeting toward the end, but there is one on Tuesday, the 24th, at 2:00 p.m. Greenwich time, and we will come to that later.  And then we have another conference call planned for the 2nd of June.  
	So if we can go back to the agenda.  Right.  Okay.  So -- oops, where are we?  Okay.  
	So we have the new Internet -- I mean, we have the new title contributed by Gerry, which is "The Internet and sustainable accessibility goals for persons with disabilities."  
	Now, I wanted to say something because De is there, and De lives on an island, in an island community, and it doesn't mean that we can't have a workshop on that.  And I am hoping that Gunela might do a presentation.  It wouldn't be the whole workshop, it would be a presentation within the workshop.  And I am wondering, should we decide the title at this point, which would be great if we could, and then proceed from there?  Gerry, do you want to have a comment, please, since you can't raise your hand on the screen?  Gerry, go ahead.  
	>> GERRY ELLIS: Hi.  Yeah.  Am I unmuted?  
	>> ANDREA SAKS: You are unmuted.  
	>> GERRY ELLIS: Okay.  I liked Axel's title.  As I said in my email, the only reason why I suggest changing "development" to "accessibility" is because "development" from a UN point of view usually means just the third world or just the developing world, and we want to include the whole world, so I am suggesting "accessibility" instead of "development."  That's my comment.  
	>> ANDREA SAKS: Okay.  
	>> GERRY ELLIS: Of course, it would have to be done with the agreement of Axel, of course.  
	>> ANDREA SAKS: Well, Axel is not here.  Axel wrote his apologies.  I am sorry I didn't do that.  I don't think that's going to be a problem, and we decide who is on the call.  So I think I can speak and say I don't think he'd have a problem with that at all.  I really don't.  
	>> GERRY ELLIS: Okay.  Then I propose that as the title with the name "accessibility" instead of "development."  
	>> ANDREA SAKS: That you have a right to do whether he would agree or not.  So that's the proposal.  
	Does anybody else have an alternate proposal?  Judy, I am going to ask you, what do you think?  
	>> JUDITH OKITE: I support Gerry's idea.  
	>> ANDREA SAKS: Okay.  Okay.  
	Eleonora, you are an honorary member of DCAD.  What do you think?  
	>> ELEONORA MAZZUCCHI: I think it's a great idea, but because I am with the Secretariat, I have to maintain a certain objectivity as to your workshop proposals.  But I think so far the process is going well and the suggestion is good.  
	>> ANDREA SAKS: Okay, because we are pinching your title, so to speak, but we are elaborating on this specific area.  That's why I asked you.  Xiaoya is on.  Hooray.  Xiaoya, what do you think of changing Axel's proposed title to Gerry's title?  
	>> XIAOYA YANG: Hi.  Can you hear me?  
	>> ANDREA SAKS: Yes, we can.  We can hear you.  
	>> XIAOYA YANG: I just joined, so I am just trying to catch up with what's happening here.  So now actually, I think as Eleonora has just stated, I will leave it to you experts.  
	>> ANDREA SAKS: Okay.  Thank you, Xiaoya.  What was suggested was the use and nonuse of ICTs by persons on small islands in developing states, that can be a presentation within the workshop.  That can be the title.  The other title was the evolution of relay services and the use of ICT.  Again, that can be a presentation within.  But the overall title that Axel proposed and with Gerry's amendment is really what we are deciding if that's okay.  Since we are the only ones here and time is of the essence, if everyone here says that's okay, then we'll stamp it and say okay, that's the title of our workshop for DCAD.  And also G3ict will probably join us as partners from what I understand.  Which will be helpful.  But both Francesca and Axel had a conflict and could not make today.  We will inform everybody that that's what we've done.  
	So if -- -- 
	>> XIAOYA YANG: Andrea, a question.  Talked about the Sustainable Development Goals.  I think now everybody, almost everybody, knows that list or can look it up.  If we say "sustainable accessibility goals," do we have these goals already, or it's yet to be set up?  And it's maybe confusing or misleading.  People might be, you know, want to know what are those sustainable accessibility goals?  
	>> ANDREA SAKS: Now, that's an excellent point.  That's an excellent point.  What does everybody else think about that?  Should we amend the title slightly to either include or change it to not include the word "goals" because we don't have any goals that we've written down?  What's everybody's thought?  I may have an idea, but let me hear from everybody first.  
	De supports the amended title.  Surely Gerry's title will cover suggestions as well.  I support the amended title says De.  Judy says okay.  De is typing.  So we'll see what De wants to say.  
	Go ahead.  
	>> GERRY ELLIS: Gerry is happy.  Gerry here.  I am happy, yeah.  
	>> ANDREA SAKS: Okay.  So you're happy, accessibility goals.  So we have to do something about writing some goals.  Maybe what we can do is each workshop can be Goal No. 1, Goal No. 2, Goal No. 3, and then the title of each presentation -- I mean not workshop -- each presentation is a goal.  What does that sound like?  
	>> XIAOYA YANG: Should we set an objective for the DCAD this time for IGF 2016 to develop sustainable accessibility goals?  
	>> ANDREA SAKS: For DCAD this time for IGF to develop sustainable accessibility goals?  That could be, but we're working on the workshop right now.  Yeah, that could be.  Go ahead, Gerry.  
	>> GERRY ELLIS: Just if there's a concern that sustainable accessibility goals don't exist, we could suggest taking out the world "goals" altogether and just say "sustainable accessibility for persons with disabilities."  
	>> ANDREA SAKS: That would probably solve that problem.  What does everybody else think?  I need some feedback here.  Judy is typing.  
	>> XIAOYA YANG: (Inaudible).  Confusion with the Sustainable Development Goals.  I could support Gerry.  
	>> ANDREA SAKS: Okay.  Xiaoya supports Gerry.  
	Who is that?  Announce your name if you are going to speak.  I am allowing everybody to jump in.  Nobody is using the hand raising, so we will just do a jump-in deal.  Who is speaking?  I am hearing a voice.  Is that you, Patricia?  No.  Okay.  Who is that?  
	>> This is Patricia.  It's not me.  
	>> ANDREA SAKS: Okay.  It's not you.  
	Judy, are you going to say something?  Judy, that could do it for now, but it would be good to have new goals for future work is what Judy has typed, Gerry.  
	I think that for the DCAD meeting that we eventually are going to ask for, that could be our objective for the DCAD meeting, and I am going to ask Eleonora a question about how we apply for a live DCAD meeting, even though we have a qualified because we gave a report, as she told us last time.  So I think that's an excellent idea that we could talk about a little later.  Is everybody in agreement with that proposal?  
	>> JUDITH OKITE: Yes.  
	>> ANDREA SAKS: Okay.  Thank you, Judy.  "The Internet and sustainable accessibility goals for PWD," De has rewritten the title that Gerry originally gave.  I don't understand what De is doing that for.  De, can you give an opinion?  Oh, De says -- I am sorry.  I missed what De said up above.  Surely, Gerry's title -- well, I support the amended title, but I see what Xiaoya is saying.  Could be "developing accessibility goals."  Okay.  That's a possibility.  Sorry, "sustainable accessibility goals."  
	Judy, that could do it for now, but it would be good to have goals for future work.  
	Now I am going to read this again.  The Internet and developing Internet accessibility goals for PWDs.  And Eleonora plus Judy should be neutral -- I should be neutral, but goals for the future could be a nice idea, said Eleonora, who is actually neutral but intelligently interjecting.  So instead of leaving out goals, says De -- we are waiting for the rest of De is going to say.  So the proposal is now.  De is typing.  I will make sure that that's -- adding developing.  Okay.  The goal is -- the title is now The Internet and sustainable developing -- okay -- developing accessibility goals -- that doesn't make sense.  Hold on.  
	Oh, good.  Here we go.  I've got Kaoru.  The Internet and sustainable developing -- ah, we are going to have to change the words around.  Sustainable should come after.  I think that's going to make it read better.  Could you take out "sustainable" from in front of "developing" and put it behind "developing."  Wait a minute.  That's not quite right.  Developing -- oh, I see what you are doing.  
	Okay.  Here is -- to get the English.  Good.  This is what it says.  "The Internet and developing sustainable accessibility goals for persons with disabilities."  Has that concept in from De, keeps accessibility goals as the focus.  Let me read it again for Gerry.  "The Internet and developing sustainable accessibility goals for persons with disabilities."  That's our title if everybody likes it.  De says yes!.  De also said move sustainable.  So everybody, comments?  If nobody says anything, can we accept that as the title of our workshop?  
	>> GERRY ELLIS: Gerry says that's excellent.  
	>> ANDREA SAKS: Gerry says that's excellent.  Okay.  
	>> XIAOYA YANG: And Xiaoya.  
	>> JUDITH OKITE: That's okay.  
	>> ANDREA SAKS: And Xiaoya.  Judy says okay.  De?  Yes, De said.  I see that.  Okay.  Right.  So we have a title.  Great.  
	Now, we have to fill these -- the workshop with speakers.  
	Judy and Gerry?  
	>> JUDITH OKITE: Yes.  
	>> ANDREA SAKS: Judy, are you coming to IGF in Mexico?  
	>> JUDITH OKITE: I am supposed to discuss that, Andrea, with you.  
	>> ANDREA SAKS: Okay.  The reason is we have to now find speakers for the title.  And we have Gunela, who said -- if everybody is in agreement, I will propose to Gunela to say that if she wishes to present her idea, that would be great.  Does everybody think that's a good idea?  
	De says yes, I think.  Or was that to the title?  De says yes.  I almost lost everybody.  Okay.  That's fine.  So we may have one subject.  
	Does anybody else want to do a presentation that's on the call?  
	>> GERRY ELLIS: Gerry here.  
	>> ANDREA SAKS: Gerry, go ahead.  Gerry would like to?  
	>> GERRY ELLIS: Okay.  I have sent an email.  Yeah, I sent an email a day or so ago with information around the development of a standard or international agreement on public procurement of ICTs, and I am not going to read out the whole thing, but I think everyone received that.  I think it's a very hot topic at the moment.  It's going to be discussed here in Dublin, I understand, when the European Disability Forum are here.  It's going to be discussed in Washington at the start of June prior to the M-Enabling Summit.  And it's very relevant because it will be just after the publishing of the revised Section 508, which is due in October.  So it will still be a very hot subject at that stage.  I think we should be addressing it.  
	>> ANDREA SAKS: Okay.  
	>> GERRY ELLIS: I'd love the opportunity to go.  But at the moment, no funding, but I'd love that opportunity.  
	>> ANDREA SAKS: Well, we've got till December to worry about that kind of stuff.  So the point I wanted to make here was let me read out, Gerry.  It's up here.  Kaoru has successfully taken out what you put in your email and put it up on the board for everybody to see.  But for those of you, I think De has to have it written.  
	De says good idea, Gerry.  De is typing.  This is what you wrote, and correct me if I'm wrong:  
	The question of accessibility in ICT public procurement is a very hot issue at the moment.  
	He just said that.  
	IGF will follow soon after the U.S. Access Board is due to issue its revised Section 508 in October.  Conversations are currently ongoing, and plans are being hatched to see how to best develop an international standard or understanding on the issue with reference to Section 508 and the EU EN301549 standard.  However, it is unclear how persons with disabilities can get involved with any negotiations in relation to this due to the lack of funding.  Concerns are being raised about the possibility of negative implications of a Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership Agreement.  
	I don't know anything about that.  I don't know what you are talking about that.  Can you elaborate in one second?  
	IGF could be an excellent vehicle to explain the issues and move the story forward.  This would fit very nicely with a joint workshop with G3ict.  
	Gerry, do you want to take this and develop this as a program -- and make this your contribution?  We'll worry about remote participation from Mexico later, how you can present it, if you can go, but if you get the job done, it will be there, so we could put your name down and say Gerry Ellis, and that's your job.  Will you do that?  
	>> GERRY ELLIS: I will do that.  What's there now that I listen back to it is a bit overly verbose and overly long, so I will shorten it up a bit and make it into an abstract.  
	>> ANDREA SAKS: That would be fabulous.  
	>> GERRY ELLIS: The transatlantic agreement is a proposed trade and investment agreement between North America and Europe, but the concern is that if there's one standard in Europe and another standard in America that the one with the lower standard can demand that the one with the higher standard acts according to the lower standard.  And that's a concern for people with disabilities because in some areas, Europe is better; some areas, America is better.  We don't want to be pulled down to the lowest common denominator.  That's the concern around that.  
	>> ANDREA SAKS: Gerry, we don't know that.  From my understanding -- I am Immaculata -- and since I have been at these meetings -- is they are going to align the texts and ITU is possibly involved in that effort.  You don't have to solve that problem now, but you can make an emphasis of something about that.  
	I mean, this is in December.  
	>> GERRY ELLIS: Which text are you talking about, Andrea?  
	>> ANDREA SAKS: EN -- can you hear me and I will answer your question?  If you let me speak, I will answer.  
	>> GERRY ELLIS: This has nothing to do with EN.  
	>> ANDREA SAKS: I am sorry.  Okay.  Fine.  What I was saying was 508 and EN301549 will align their text is what the understanding is now.  Does that make sense?  
	>> GERRY ELLIS: It is.  Oh, yeah, in that particular area, that is clear and that's fine, but this Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership covers all aspects of society.  It doesn't just cover public procurement and ICTs.  
	>> ANDREA SAKS: Fine.  
	>> GERRY ELLIS: So it's much, much broader than EN301 and Section 508.  
	>> ANDREA SAKS: Then that is a good topic.  Would everybody agree with that, that that is something we could have as one of the workshop presentations?  Gerry will come up with a title over the next few days or before we have the last meeting on the 2nd of June to finalize how he is going to do that.  Is that correct, Gerry, before I put you out to dry here?  
	>> GERRY ELLIS: Yeah, I am committed to that.  
	>> ANDREA SAKS: Okay.  And we have Gunela with her island concept, which we will confirm with her by email if everybody is in agreement that Gunela would make -- that would make a very good presentation in our workshop.  Is that a good idea for everybody, that we write an email to her saying we like your idea -- if we like her idea -- everybody has to agree -- and that we would like her to create a contribution to the workshop?  Is that an agreement?  
	Okay.  I will take silence -- now, Judy, what do you want to do?  Don't worry about whether you are going to be here or not.  
	>> JUDITH OKITE: I could contribute to one of the (Inaudible) one of the workshops.  
	>> ANDREA SAKS: I am sorry, I misunderstood that last word.  De, by the way, said very good and yes for Gunela.  We can't get that word.  
	What we've got here is I am reading the captioning.  I could contribute to one of the (Inaudible) one of the workshops.  Now, I am not sure I understand, Judy, what you are saying.  Judy is typing.  Okay.  We'll get it from typing.  
	I can't make a presentation from one of the titles.  No, you could do a totally different one, Judy.  You could do whatever one you want.  You can make it up.  
	>> JUDITH OKITE: Oh, that's great!  That's great!  
	>> ANDREA SAKS: I want something from you.  I want something from you.  And in reference to -- 
	>> JUDITH OKITE: Okay.  Do you mind if I focus on accessibility?  
	>> ANDREA SAKS: Okay.  Because our over title is the one that we've agreed.  Can you show the over title again so Judy can see that again?  What's the title, our title, again that we agreed upon.  I didn't write it down.  Kaoru, can you put the title up, please, from the agenda?  
	Okay.  Can you go up?  
	Okay.  "The Internet and developing sustainable accessibility goals for persons with disabilities."  That is the big umbrella.  Judy, you can choose something that you know about that you wish to speak about.  
	I am just going to see who that is.  
	>> JUDITH OKITE: I will do that.  
	>> ANDREA SAKS: Okay.  So you have till the 2nd of June to come up with something.  Okay?  Is that good?  
	>> JUDITH OKITE: Okay.  
	>> ANDREA SAKS: Okay.  Now, relay services.  Okay.  Now, relay services is the other idea, and since I grew up with this, but it isn't necessarily going to be me who is going to do this because I have some other people in mind who might be willing to go to Mexico to do that.  What I would like to do is just put my name there for the minute and say, okay, the evolution of relay services and the use of ICTs.  Because now there is all sorts of things happening with apps that allow people to call any relay service in the United States.  It's called ACE.  There are other services developing in Japan which have the same principle, where it doesn't matter if there is an existing relay service with the app, you can call.  And all this is happening now, and I am right in the middle of learning about this and seeing the technology evolve, as well as I was there from the very first minute that it all started with all this gray hair I got from that.  So if that's okay with everybody, I'm just putting myself up as a token because some of the other people are not online yet or are not here at this moment.  Would that be okay?  
	And then I don't know where that came through on the evolution of who gave us that one.  Do you know?  Because it wasn't me.  I don't know where we got that from.  Do we have any history on that?  Xiaoya?  Oh, it was Gunela.  It was Gunela.  Okay, De, very good.  Okay.  That was also Gunela, but Andrea's name is good.  Okay.  Thank you.  
	Would that be okay?  So since deaf telephones was started by my family and developed all through the -- look at my hands.  I've got to sit on them.  I'm going to suggest that we have that.  So we have four different kinds of presentations within our overall one, and we also then open it up to Axel and everyone else to come across because we don't want more than five or six presentations.  We'll only have 90 minutes.  And if we only have four or five, that would be good.  
	And I think four is enough probably.  Okay.  It could be.  But we'll leave it open for another person to come in, shall we, just in case?  
	>> JUDITH OKITE: Yes.  
	>> ANDREA SAKS: Okay.  Judy says yes.  
	>> GERRY ELLIS: Yes, we need to leave a slot open for Axel.  
	>> ANDREA SAKS: We need a slot open for Axel or anyone else.  We will write up what we have decided, and at the moment we could put next to mine Andrea and an alternate possibility from the community because we can write something like that when we announce what we've done.  
	So actually, we are -- workshop agenda and session format.  What is that session format?  You've got a hyperlink, so can you show us that, Kaoru?  I am not used to all this wonderful stuff coming up here.  What's that?  Okay.  Something's happening.  
	I hear a chicken.  (Laughter).  It's not mine.  Though we have them here.  What is session format?  I see what De has said.  Judy said maximum of 5.  De said you must have involvement from the floor.  
	Breakout group discussions.  Okay.  Now we are getting down to the nitty-gritty.  All right.  I am going to read this for Gerry, please.  Can you go back to the top? Kaoru, is that the top?  Okay.  
	Breakout group discussions, and that ties into what De said about involvement on if you have a panel, you need to have a paper.  I am not sure what De means by that, but let's read this.  And it will probably become clear.  
	Breakout group discussion sessions are suggested for in-depth discussion of specific aspects of an issue which has already been mapped/transformed within a larger group.  This format is also good to clarify an aspect of an issue and/or to discuss capacity-building opportunities:  Time:  90 minutes or 60 minutes.  Okay.  And then it says format:  Moderator and subject matter experts to set the stage at the start of the session by giving a summary of the already mapped challenges.  
	I hear background noises.  (Inaudible).  Can you explain what that's about, please?  Is somebody's mic on?  Can we have everybody muted for a minute, please, while I just -- okay.  
	The moderators/subject matter experts to set the stage at the beginning of the summary.  Okay.  Now, I've already read that.  Participants must break out into groups to view or discuss specific approaches or aspects, and online moderators to facilitate remote participation.  And at the end, groups can report to everyone.  
	I don't know that that's what we are doing.  I have not looked at this before.  In other words, this is not just a regular workshop where we present; this is one where we have to have some kind of activity going on within the group.  
	Eleonora, can I ask you, can you unmute Eleonora, and I ask you to explain this, please?  Because this does not make total sense to me.  
	>> ELEONORA MAZZUCCHI: Hi, Andrea.  If you mean explain this specific format, or explain formats in general, the selection of formats?  
	>> ANDREA SAKS: Why don't you explain the formats in general because there are -- rather than me read everything, I think it's better if you can give a synopsis of the different types, and maybe we can choose one.  
	>> ELEONORA MAZZUCCHI: I wish that I were more expert on the workshop formats.  These were identified long before I joined the Secretariat, and I think they are the product of MAG discussion and suggestions were workshop proposers over the years.  
	The important thing is really that each workshop proposer selects the format that works best for them and to just keep in mind that each format is associated with a duration, too.  
	So if you already know you want to have a workshop that's an hour and a half long or 90 minutes, I would steer you towards at least the ones that are in this document that are marked as 90 minutes.  
	I would also add that in the workshop proposal e-form, we also have as an option just "other."  You are not forced to select one of these formats, and you can sort of, you know, come up with your own format and indicate whether you would want to do the workshop for 30, 60, or 90 minutes, again.  So it's really up to the organizers.  
	>> ANDREA SAKS: Okay.  Thank you for that.  
	>> ELEONORA MAZZUCCHI: It should be the format that best fits your content.  
	>> ANDREA SAKS: Okay.  All right.  I've got it.  I understand.  Does everyone else get -- and thank you, Eleonora.  Does everyone understand that we could actually choose "other," and we could figure it out later as long as we got everything organized and that we all have homework to read this particular document?  We'll attach the Web site to the summary of the call that we will send out next week to everyone.  And they will have an ability to look at this, and we'll make a decision on the format on the 2nd of June.  
	Does that sound good to everybody?  
	De has something here.  De says try roundtable and panel.  All right.  Let's look at that since De has said that.  De has also said you must -- above that, you must have involvement from the floor.  If you have a panel, you need to have a paper.  Okay.  And then De, try roundtable.  Okay.  
	I would suggest working backward from the length of 30, 60, and 90 minutes and then deciding on the exact format later.  We always never have enough time, so I am always opting for the 90 minutes.  
	They are in the list on the screen says De.  Okay.  
	I think it's going to be a little tricky to decide that right now, unless we take the time to go through that, and if that's what you would like me to do, we'll read them out so Gerry can follow.  
	De, you can actually see them.  The panel.  Okay.  The panel format is what's up there now is suggested for sessions where one needs to explain an emerging issue or a specific technical or legal features of an issue.  Panels are also effective to compare and contrast various positions of several main actors.  60 minutes or 90 minutes.  
	Several speakers -- this is the format -- though preferably not more than 5.  Small panels are preferred to increase audience participation.  A moderator or two.  An online moderator to facilitate remote participation.  A short presentation, preferably without text, just graphics and illustrations, and under 10 minutes.  And time allotted for guided discussion amongst panelists and question or comments from the audience and Rapporteurs.  
	The layout is panel table with speakers.  If speakers are presenting remotely, the use of video and audio conferencing.  Several roaming microphones to capture the audience questions and comments.  
	I think I see a few things from the DCAD guidelines in here, people.  And online participation station.  That is called the panel.  
	Now, that's interesting.  Kaoru has put this up, and that's what we have traditionally done is always done a panel.  What does the rest of the world think?  Any comments?  
	>> GERRY ELLIS: Gerry.  
	>> ANDREA SAKS: Gerry, go ahead.  
	>> GERRY ELLIS: Okay.  One of the options is to have several tables and to have several different discussions going on at the same time, and I am thinking that that would be impractical because if we had a number of people with hearing impairments there, they -- only one table would have an interpreter or you'd have to have several interpreters, and that may become impractical.  So we may need to stick with either the traditional panel, where four or five people stand up, make their presentations, and then there's an open question-and-answer.  That's one option.  
	The other option is that you have a similar setup, but one person makes a presentation, that's discussed, then the second person makes a presentation and that's discussed, then the third person makes a presentation and that's discussed, and so on.  
	So it seems to me that they are the twos really available to us.  I wonder what other people think.  
	>> ANDREA SAKS: Okay.  Gerry has made a proposal, and De says yes, Gerry, I saw the several tables option.  It's very confusing.  
	De, I agree with Gerry.  
	Judy, I would go for the panel.  
	So would I.  It's a heck of a lot easier, if you want to know the truth.  
	Last time, Francesca was able to jump in and do the panel when I had to go do the main session for the DCAD thing, so in order that people are flexible and able to take over for whatever reason, the panel is a lot easier.  And you are right, how many captioning pods could we have for all the people who have a hearing impairment?  And if we have a panel, we would be able to caption everything that we did.  So that's my view.  
	So okay.  Let me ask you this.  If we are ready -- De has put up above try roundtable and panel.  I think De wants to look at the roundtable.  Let's look at the roundtable.  Unless De has changed and agreed with Gerry, which I think because I am not reading these out in the order that they came in.  
	De, am I correct now that you moved over to the panel discussion?  Rather than -- De is typing.  Panel is great.  Okay.  So if we're of this particular frame of mind, then we may have decided our format today, which would be even better.  Five presentations.  We have four.  We could use another one, which means that we can have somebody else pop in and do it.  And we'll encourage that.  And if that's an agreement, then is the panel the format we wish to choose, and if so, silence is agreement.  
	Okay.  Another important decisions has been made.  We have a title.  We have it as a panel.  We have four people who are developing possible presentations.  And there may be another person coming in and we are going to write this up.  
	You know, we have done this in 45 minutes.  Can we go back to the agenda?  Okay.  
	>> GERRY ELLIS: Andrea, Gerry just for a second.  
	>> ANDREA SAKS: Yes, please.  Go ahead.  
	>> GERRY ELLIS: Just to say I have another meeting in about 15 minutes, so I have to leave in 5 minutes' time.  So apologies if I have to make a runner.  
	>> ANDREA SAKS: That's okay.  We've got you pretty nailed down to what you are going to do.  And you are going to write me something -- correct? -- that we can put in our report for Monday/Tuesday?  So we can get that out?  Because tomorrow is Friday.  Unless -- we've got a rough idea, but if you can come up with a quick, short title over the weekend and send that to Kaoru, then we will know with a small thing, that would be great.  And then you could just disappear because we've done the title.  We've done the format.  We just need from you a little -- you said you could write something up.  That should give you plenty of time to do that.  Is that okay?  
	>> GERRY ELLIS: Okay.  That's perfect.  Rather than interrupting you again, I will excuse myself now, and I'll go off.  Thanks to everyone on the call.  
	>> ANDREA SAKS: Okay.  Talk to you later.  Thank you, Gerry.  Okay.  Gerry is gone.  
	You know something?  De has just -- a roundtable is essentially a more flexible panel.  De has said bye, Gerry.  Sorry.  And Judy said thank you, Gerry, but he is gone.  
	I think if we wanted to revote and change that, I suppose we could, De, but at the moment, the way we have always run our crazy workshops has been pretty open, so we've allowed people to speak and do whatever, so I'm not too worried about the fact that -- whether it's a roundtable or not.  We always want to have audio participation.  So I think I won't go back and revisit that now, but if you would like to revisit that, De, just write us a little email saying what you think, and we will bring it up at the June 2 meeting.  Is that okay, De?  
	I am waiting for De to respond.  De is typing.  Okay.  All right.  So we've got that.  
	So the only thing is workshop moderators and speakers.  We've got four speakers.  We don't know if they are remote or not because Judy doesn't know if she is coming; neither does Gerry.  But we will sort that out closer to the time.  We are going to put them down.  
	The workshop moderator, whoever chairs it, it could be, we could decide that on the 2nd.  We have to write all this out and talk to Axel and Francesca, who wish to be a part of this.  So it's in Mexico, so I think either one or both of them would probably attend.  They may want to make a contribution and make a workshop proposal making it five.  But we will open that up to everyone on the DCAD list because we've had different people participate in the past, and we have to confirm Gunela.  
	Have I kind of recapped where we are at the moment?  Is there anything anybody else wants to add to that or say?  We can decide remote moderators on the 2nd.  
	Judy is typing.  And I am going to sneeze any minute.  Excuse me.  I think I will turn off my video so I can sneeze.  One second.  Oh, it went back on.  Sorry.  
	Okay.  Xiaoya, do you have any comments so far?  
	Oh, De says remote moderator is De.  Bless you in advance.  Of course De is our remote moderator.  
	No, Thanks for asking, says Xiaoya.  
	Eleonora, do you have anything you would like to say?  
	>> ELEONORA MAZZUCCHI: Sorry for the delay.  No, nothing at this point.  
	>> ANDREA SAKS: Judy, any comments?  
	Okay.  Now I want to just talk about briefly -- it isn't on the agenda, but I am sticking it under any other business, so just to make sure, this will all be written up.  Oh, I love my -- I am going to sit on my hands again.  We will write this up.  Kaoru will help me because she is a much better writer than I am.  We will put this out that these were the decisions that were made.  If they are not correct, I will expect a response.  We'll get that out for the beginning of next week.  And the other business is that we do want to apply for a DCAD live real meeting on the premises.  Is that Agreeable to everybody?  Multiple attendees.  Judy says that's great.  De says yes.  Eleonora is typing.  So we are waiting for Eleonora.  
	I should have amended, "no comment, except for being impressed that all these workshop decisions were taken so quickly."  
	We are getting better at it, Eleonora.  It didn't used to be so.  But thank you for commenting.  Yeah, we will be able to submit on time.  You can tell Markus we will be able to do that because we need to -- one of the things that we need to communicate, Eleonora, is that no Accessibility Workshops, meetings, DCAD should be the first meeting in the morning because we have no time to test what's going on, like we did today.  So I think that's something, if you can carry that back, that is really mandatory because of the nature of the fact that we are very reliant on remote participation.  
	Eleonora says absolutely.  Ha, will do.  And noted.  So that's one of the things we will definitely put in the announcement that we send out as the results of this meeting, and Axel and Francesca want a copy of the captioning, so that gives us time to have a copy of the captioning because Heather hopefully will get it to us maybe by Tuesday.  So we have that, and therefore, we can send that out to everybody along with a recap, so we have room for one more aspect.  
	Question.  Caption First is typing.  I am not sure what's happening.  Caption First, I plan to get the file out by the end of my work day.  Heather, thank you!  Heather's wonderful.  Thank you.  We'll have the captioning today sometime, which means here in Europe, we'll get it tomorrow.  So that means we'll have access to that, and we'll be able to do that.  
	Kaoru, I am going to be flying in on -- what is it? -- Monday afternoon, and though I am in meetings for Question 28/16, I will be -- with Masahito, you know where I am sitting.  I am around the corner.  We can get this done, I think, on Tuesday, and get it out.  Is that agreeable to you, Kaoru?  
	>> KAORU MIZUNO: Yes.  
	>> ANDREA SAKS: Perfect.  Okay.  Question, Eleonora, do we write a formal letter from Dynamic Coalition to the Secretariat saying the DCAD is requesting a live face-to-face meeting at the next IGF meeting officially, like an email, and send it out on our reflector to you and everything?  Is that what we do at this point?  
	>> ELEONORA MAZZUCCHI: Yes, that is what you can do.  It will be as official as you want.  The email will go to me anyway.  
	>> ANDREA SAKS: Okay.  
	>> ELEONORA MAZZUCCHI: My only comment is that DCAD did, indeed, fulfill its requirement of a report, but what I am seeing published up on our site are the DCAD guidelines from 2014, so if you consent to switching those out with the 2015 ones and tell me that those 2015 ones are final, there are no amendments you want to make to them, then we will publish those as DCAD's final output for 2015.  
	>> ANDREA SAKS: That is probably the case, but we may produce one for 2016.  We have not discussed that yet.  We're making the deadline for June the 6th for the workshop.  So I can take a vote on that now.  Gerry's gone, but we'll put that in the announcement that we're going to send out on Tuesday, Kaoru and I will sort that out, where we'll say our guidelines are final from the 15th, but that -- 
	>> ELEONORA MAZZUCCHI: Okay.  That's good.  
	>> ANDREA SAKS: That's all we need to do.  Okay.  All right.  So we'll do that, and in the same email we will write -- in a separate email, we will write -- either the separate email, we would like to request a meeting, so for a live meeting face to face, and we will also in that email say at no time please schedule a DCAD meeting or any accessible workshop as the first meeting of the day due to the fact that we need to accommodate persons with disabilities.  We need to be able to test all the remote equipment and participation.  So we will get that done, and that's in the captioning.  
	Kaoru, have we got a note?  We've got a note of that.  So we've got three emails to go:  One about the DCAD guidelines being final for '15 and that there will be future discussions on whether we update.  Is that okay with everybody?  I will take them that way, and then we'll say silence.  If that's okay, that's email 1.  That's okay says Judy.  De is typing, yes.  Okay.  And I know that we don't have a problem with Gerry on that.  
	Second email is to say that we would like a DCAD -- oh, did I say that one?  Which one have I not said?  This is the final document, the DCAD document for '15.  
	There will be two.  One about wanting the meeting and one about the DCAD final document, and then the one that goes out about what happened at the meeting, that we have a space left, what our title is, what the three basic concepts are, and then we have a separate email directly to Gunela to say, Gunela, you are on.  Are you going to do this one for us?  And that will be that.  So I think it's four emails altogether.  If that's okay with everybody -- because we can put Gunela there and she might be surprised that she has a slot, but I don't think she'll be unhappy since she suggested it.  
	So are we okay with all of that?  De says yes, okay.  Judy is typing, that's fine.  And if anybody has any objections, suggestions, or anything else since we haven't got people like Fernando Botelho, we haven't got Gunela on, we haven't got a whole bunch of people on.  
	Eleonora is typing.  
	>> ELEONORA MAZZUCCHI: Maybe I will just verbalize to make it easier.  Just to sum up, I will expect, then, two emails from DCAD, one requesting the face-to-face meeting, which is great, and it's also great to have in writing the request for time before the meeting to prepare the room; and a second email confirming that the 2015 guidelines are final.  And that's all we would need.  
	>> ANDREA SAKS: Okay.  But we will make a note that we will review each guideline every year throughout -- you know, so there may be a guideline '16.  
	>> ELEONORA MAZZUCCHI: That would be very welcome, and we would publish it when it's ready.  
	>> ANDREA SAKS: Okay.  That's great.  Is that agreeable to everybody?  Judy is typing, yes.  De is typing, yes.  Okay.  And we also have to put down that De is our remote moderator.  De, you are going to be for both the DCAD meeting and the DCAD possibly slash G3ict workshop?  De is typing.  As long as they are not simultaneous.  We'll have to make that a point as well.  We'll do that in the email.  Okay.  Because you are very good at that.  Okay.  De is still typing.  We've done it in an hour.  And that no one needs me for the main session.  
	The main session we have not really discussed.  That's a point.  Eleonora, back to you again.  God, I'm glad you are on.  There will be Dynamic Coalition main sessions.  Is that correct?  There's going to be two of them like last year 
	>> ELEONORA MAZZUCCHI: There will absolutely be a DC main session.  We're just not sure at all at this stage what shape it will take.  I think we want to avoid dividing it in two the way we did last year.  So the result will probably be a main session that is a little bit shorter, and the content is going to be discussed in the call on Tuesday.  
	>> ANDREA SAKS: Right.  And Tuesday, we have to say the call is on the 24th at 2:00, and I will be in a meeting at 2:30 for -- let me double-check that.  I have got the schedule right here.  God, where is my schedule?  
	>> ELEONORA MAZZUCCHI: Sorry.  If you don't mind my interjecting, it's actually, it would be 4:00 p.m. your time.  
	>> ANDREA SAKS: I am going to be in Geneva on the 24th.  
	>> ELEONORA MAZZUCCHI: Yes, so 4:00 p.m. Geneva time, exactly.  
	>> ANDREA SAKS: 4:00 p.m. Geneva time.  I will be -- Xiaoya, I am in a session with Question 28, I think.  No, actually, I am not.  No, that's a joint question.  Hang on.  Let me look.  I might be able to attend that.  Okay.  I think I can.  I think I can attend that because -- yeah, I don't think that's a problem because there's one in the morning, and there isn't anything -- what is this J for?  That's the joint one with that.  Okay.  That's fine.  No, I can do that.  I will be there.  Xiaoya, you do not have to do that.  You are not here anyway.  Xiaoya's not here anyway.  Right.  Okay.  So I will do the meeting.  I have to find the email to click on it and participate, which I haven't done.  
	Would you do me a kindness, Eleonora?  Would you resend that to me?  Because I am a complete discombobulator? 
	>> ELEONORA MAZZUCCHI: Sure.  
	>> ANDREA SAKS: All right.  I will be on that meeting.  Just so you know, Eleonora says if anyone else wants to participate in that meeting, you can.  Judy?  Oh, there's something -- I am terribly sorry.  De has said something.  De said she will be moderator for both sessions as long as they are not simultaneous and that no one needs me for the main session, which is what happened in Brazil.  And in an emergency.  Which also happened in Brazil because Judy had an accident, and we were -- we had all sorts of weird stuff happening.  
	So okay.  I've taken note of that, and -- but De is typing.  De is typing.  This is not realtime text, by the way.  This is transmitted text.  
	Not really sorry.  What does that mean?  What do you mean not really sorry?  Not typing.  Oh, oh, not, really sorry.  Okay, you are not typing.  Okay.  Fair enough.  
	All right.  So I think -- is there anything -- we've still got any other business.  This is where the floor goes open to Judy or to De, since that's -- and Gerry knows what he is doing.  And is there anything else we need to go over?  
	I am fine, says Judy.  Okay.  
	De?  Okay.  That's fine.  
	Right.  All right.  De is typing.  De says okay.  
	Now, while I am waiting for De to type, the data of the next meeting is Thursday, June the 2nd.  And that will be at the same time, at 2:00 Geneva time.  
	Oh, De says I think I would like to sit in on the meeting on the 24th.  Eleonora, can -- when you send that to me, I will forward that to De.  But De is on our mailing list.  
	>> ELEONORA MAZZUCCHI: Of course.  
	>> ANDREA SAKS: De, it will be on the mailing list.  If you don't get it, shout.  
	And Judy, I should be available as well.  
	Oh, that's great!  Wonderful!  Both of you will be there.  That's fabulous!  Okay.  I will make sure that both of you -- when she sends it to me, I will do a forward just to make sure.  If you get it twice, it's better than not getting it at all.  Okay.  That's great.  Okay.  
	Eleonora says De, you are more than welcome, and Judy too:  Okay.  That's great.  Well, this has been quite a thing.  
	Okay.  Now, have I forgotten anything?  I am asking the great oracle Xiaoya.  Have I forgotten anything?  Kaoru, have I forgotten anything?  Well, they are not saying anything, so I assume not.  Oh, Xiaoya is typing.  I don't think so, said Xiaoya.  Now, Xiaoya, just to confirm, you are not in Geneva next week.  I will not see you when I get back on Tuesday.  
	>> XIAOYA YANG: No, I will be (Inaudible).  I will be back the next Monday.  
	>> ANDREA SAKS: So you will be back the following Monday, which is the 30th?  
	>> XIAOYA YANG: Yes.  
	>> ANDREA SAKS: Okay.  Where are you going?  
	>> XIAOYA YANG: San Diego.  
	>> ANDREA SAKS: Sorry?  
	>> XIAOYA YANG: San Diego, California.  
	>> ANDREA SAKS: You are going to San Diego, California.  Oh, wow!  I was just born up the road.  I was born in the San Francisco Bay area.  So you are going to my stomping grounds.  Have a wonderful time.  
	Kaoru, I want to say thank you for taking care of all the preparations.  And Heather, our captioner.  If there is no other business, everybody has marked down Thursday, the 2nd, at 2:00 p.m. for the next meeting, and I have a date with -- to work with Kaoru on Tuesday.  I think unless anybody has any other business -- now, Patricia is saying dear remote participants, may I ask you to fill in the following survey about your experience with Adobe Connect?  Okay.  I am going to click on this, so I have it over here.  Waiting for interactive -- okay.  I will put this down here.  If you guys could do that, that would be great.  And Judy is typing.  Thank you, everybody, for a great meeting.  Bye.  
	De is typing.  De says and yes, I'll do the form.  
	Eleonora is typing.  And Patricia is typing.  I will have to run, but reminder about our meeting on Tuesday, the 24th, 4:00 p.m., GVA time.  Send emails.  Thank you, Eleonora, for your help today.  You were very, very helpful.  Thank you.  Eleonora is typing.  Gerry isn't on the line, but I am still reading everything.  
	De says bye!  And now I will say bye.  Thank you, Kaoru.  Thank you, Patricia.  And thank you, Xiaoya.  Thank you very much.  Don't forget to thank Mohamed for getting us all on there.  
	Okay.  And Xiaoya is typing bye.  The meeting is closed.  Thank you very, very much.  
	(End of session, 8:11 a.m. CT.) 

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